Statelessness

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Statelessness

Postby holy vehm » Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:49 pm

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Draft Convention on the Elimination of Future Statelessness
PREAMBLE
Whereas the Universal Declaration of Human Rights proclaims that “everyone has the right to a
nationality”,
Whereas the Economic and Social Council has recognized that the problem of stateless persons
demands “the taking of joint and separate action by Member nations in cooperation with the United
Nations to ensure that everyone shall have an effective right to a nationality”,
Whereas statelessness often results in suffering and hardship shocking to conscience and
offensive to the dignity of man,
Whereas statelessness is frequently productive of friction between States,
Whereas statelessness is inconsistent with the existing principle which postulates nationality as
a condition of the enjoyment by the individual of certain rights recognized by international law,
Whereas the practice of many States has increasingly tended to the progressive elimination of
statelessness,
Whereas it is imperative, by international agreement, to eliminate the evils of statelessness,


Interesting use of words here.

Statelessness MUST be eliminated.
Statelessness IS evil
Statelessness IS offensive to the dignity of man.

Article 1
A person who would otherwise be stateless shall acquire at birth the nationality of the Party in
whose territory he is born.

Article 2
For the purpose of article 1, a foundling, so long as his place of birth is unknown, shall be
presumed to have been born in the territory of the Party in which he is found.

Article 3
For the purpose of article 1, birth on a vessel shall be deemed to have taken place within the
territory of the State whose flag the vessel flies. Birth on an aircraft shall be considered to have taken
place within the territory of the State where the aircraft is registered.

Article 4
If a child is not born in the territory of a State which is a Party to this Convention he shall, if
otherwise stateless, acquire the nationality of the Party of which one of his parents is a national. The
nationality of the father shall prevail over that of the mother.

Article 5
If the law of a Party entails loss of nationality as a consequence of any change in the personal
status of a person such as marriage, termination of marriage, legitimation, recognition or adoption, such
loss shall be conditional upon acquisition of another nationality.

Article 6
The change or loss of the nationality of a spouse or of a parent shall not entail the loss of
nationality by the other spouse or by the children unless they have or acquire another nationality.

Article 7
1. Renunciation shall not result in loss of nationality unless the person renouncing it has or
acquires another nationality.
2. A person who seeks naturalization in a foreign country or who obtains an expatriation permit
for that purpose shall not lose his nationality unless he acquires the nationality of that foreign country.
3. A person shall not lose his nationality, so as to become stateless, on the ground of departure,
stay abroad, failure to register or on any other similar ground.

Article 8
A Party may not deprive its nationals of their nationality by way of penalty or on any other
ground if such deprivation renders them stateless.

Article 9
A Party may not deprive any person or group of persons of their nationality on racial, ethnic,
religious or political grounds.

Article 10
1. Every treaty providing for the transfer of a territory shall include provisions for ensuring that,
subject to the exercise of the right of option, the inhabitants of that territory shall not become stateless.
2. In the absence of such provisions, a State to which territory is transferred, or which otherwise
acquires territory, or a new State formed on territory previously belonging to another State or States,
shall confer its nationality upon the inhabitants of such territory unless they retain their former
nationality by option or otherwise or have or acquire another nationality.

Article 11
1. The Parties undertake to establish, within the framework of the United Nations, an agency to
act, when it deems appropriate, on behalf of stateless persons before Governments or before the tribunal
referred to in paragraph 2.
2. The Parties undertake to establish, within the framework of the United Nations, a tribunal
which shall be competent to decide any dispute between them concerning the interpretation or
application of this Convention and to decide complaints presented by the agency referred to in paragraph
1 on behalf of a person claiming to have been denied nationality in violation of the provisions of the
Convention.
3. If, within two years after the entry into force of the Convention, the agency or the tribunal
referred to in paragraphs I and 2 has not been established by the Parties, any of the Parties shall have the
right to request the General Assembly to establish such agency or tribunal.
4. The Parties agree that any dispute between them concerning the interpretation or application
of the Convention shall, if not referred to the tribunal provided for in paragraph 2, be submitted to the
International Court of Justice.

Article 12
1. The present Convention, having been approved by the General Assembly, shall until ... (a
year after the approval of the General Assembly) be open for signature on behalf of any Member of the
United Nations and of any non-member State to which an invitation to sign is addressed by the General
Assembly.
2. The present Convention shall be ratified, and the instruments of ratification shall be
deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.
3. After ... (the above date) the present Convention may be acceded to on behalf of any Member
of the United Nations and of any non-member State which has received an invitation as aforesaid.
Instruments of accession shall be deposited with the Secretary-General of the United Nations.

Article 13
1. At the time of signature, ratification or accession any State may make a reservation
permitting it to postpone, for a period not exceeding two years, the application of the Convention
pending the enactment of necessary legislation.
2. No other reservations to the present Convention shall be admissible.

Article 14
1. The present Convention shall enter into force on the ninetieth day following the date of the
deposit of the ... (e.g., third or sixth) instrument of ratification or accession.
2. For each State ratifying or acceding to the present Convention subsequently to the latter date,
the Convention shall enter into force on the ninetieth day following the deposit of the instrument of
ratification or accession by that State.

Article 15
Any Party to the present Convention may denounce it at any time by a written notification
addressed to the Secretary-General of the United Nations. Such denunciation shall take effect for the
said Party one year after the date of its receipt by the Secretary-General.

Article 16
The Secretary-General of the United Nations shall notify all Members of the United Nations
and the non-member States referred to in article 12 of the following particulars:
(a) Signatures, ratifications and accessions under article 12;
(b) Reservations under article 13;
(c) The date upon which the present Convention enters into force in pursuance of article 14;
(d) Denunciations under article 15.

Article 17
1. The present Convention shall be deposited with the Secretariat of the United Nations.
2. A certified copy of the Convention shall be transmitted to all Members of the United Nations
and to the non-member States referred to in article 12.

Article 18
The present Convention shall be registered by the Secretary-General of the United Nations on
the date of its entry into force.




Again a very interesting use of words.

This i find interesting when you consider the Uk is considered apart of the european union.

Article 10
1. Every treaty providing for the transfer of a territory shall include provisions for ensuring that,
subject to the exercise of the right of option, the inhabitants of that territory shall not become stateless.
2. In the absence of such provisions, a State to which territory is transferred, or which otherwise
acquires territory, or a new State formed on territory previously belonging to another State or States,
shall confer its nationality upon the inhabitants of such territory unless they retain their former
nationality by option or otherwise or have or acquire another nationality.


http://untreaty.un.org/ilc/texts/instruments/english/draft%20articles/6_1_1954_1.pdf
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Re: Statelessness

Postby holy vehm » Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:01 pm

Interesting definition:

found·ling (foundlng)
n.
A deserted or abandoned child of unknown parentage.
"A ruler who violates the law is illegitimate. He has no right to be obeyed. His commands are mere force and coercion. Rulers who act lawlessly, whose laws are unlawful, are mere criminals".
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Re: Statelessness

Postby Freeman Stephen » Mon Jan 02, 2012 6:25 am

Presumptions and assumptions of an undemocratic globalist organisation that cant even hold up its own pledges with regards to sexual equality (fathers state to prevail above the mothers). Also note how the UDHR proclaims the relationship between MOTHER and child to be a special one.

I am sick of the UN. The UDHR is nothing but a propaganda stunt. They would never uphold that nor would any of its members states.
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Re: Statelessness

Postby holy vehm » Mon Jan 02, 2012 10:02 am

Freeman Stephen wrote:Presumptions and assumptions of an undemocratic globalist organisation that cant even hold up its own pledges with regards to sexual equality (fathers state to prevail above the mothers). Also note how the UDHR proclaims the relationship between MOTHER and child to be a special one.


That bit jumped out at me to, it claims the rights of men are higher than that of women, the very one's who brought the child into the world.

As you say, they have little hope of upholding this but that will not stop them, for they control any process that may challenge this.
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Re: Statelessness

Postby wanabfree » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:48 pm

There is no such thing as a "STATE", come to think of it, neither is there anything that exist's outside the human mind called "CITIZENS,BOROUGHS,COUNTYS,COUNTRYS,SUBJECTS,SOVEREIGNS, etc etc, the list goes on, the article is just words on paper, legalese you may wana call it, the language created by people to discuise the fact it's being used to do harm to other people.

they can clain the easter bunny's real and within a state if they like, it dosen't make any more real.

if you live in the geographical area known as "London", it's claimed there is a london borough you must be liveing in ?.

so factually what is a "London Borough"

here you have it : http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1963/33/pdfs/ukpga_19630033_en.pdf

i'm sure if any of you ouside the alleged london borough zone, you can find your own Borough or County etc, point being it's just a piece of paper, i'll leave it up to the rest of you to work out what this means in reality.
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Re: Statelessness

Postby Freeman Stephen » Mon Jan 02, 2012 2:57 pm

The Easter Bunny has declared the United Nations and all its member states to be an unlawful organisation engaged in crimes against manind including (but not limited to) slavery, extortion, racketeering, warmongering, offensive violence, encouragement of rape, child kidnapping, inter alia.

The Easter Bunny says if they dont stop it, shes going to get mad! (The easter bunny has to be a "she" - where do all the eggs come from?)
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Re: Statelessness

Postby pedawson » Mon Jan 02, 2012 4:31 pm

i'm sure if any of you ouside the alleged london borough zone, you can find your own Borough or County etc, point being it's just a piece of paper, i'll leave it up to the rest of you to work out what this means in reality.


Read in terms of:-
Homer Simpson - ^Special^ Paper, Mmmm from ^special^ trees.
Golum - 'My precious'
Back to normal voice.

Just more toilet paper.

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Re: Statelessness

Postby holy vehm » Mon Jan 02, 2012 5:19 pm

The point being that they claim that being without state is evil.
I claim to be without a state, therefore i am evil (in their minds)
I must be forced into a state.
A freeman would be without state as he holds no need to be apart of any thing.
They claim that they will end any statelessness, so a claim of freeman would be impossible as a freeman would be stateless, a claim they will not recognise.

All the talk in the world of 'its in the mind' wont stop incarceration, wont stop a beating and wont stop your rights from being denied.

Now on the flip side is the point made in article 10. People bemoan the UK's involvement in europe, well my interpretation is that we can use this draft to remove ourselves as individuals from the EU and its controls without fear of persecution and incarceration.
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