past ID with our photo

past ID with our photo

Postby sandruzzo » Thu May 14, 2009 9:32 am

hi all.

in the past when I didn't know the system,I've made some ID with my face on it,so I made a joint between PERSON and Me.
I'm going to send my Notice(next Monday),I'm going to claim that I've nothing to do with My PERSON.but they have some my PERSON ID with my face on it,and they could tell me:"see?he is YOU??".How can I defeat this?I was thinking about putting a note into Notice that tell them that I disclaim any past ID because I was deceived and I didn't understand the whole system..
what do you think?

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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby huntingross » Thu May 14, 2009 12:55 pm

Past deception might work as a reason.

Or "that" is the photo of the Agent for the PERSON.
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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby Veronica » Thu May 14, 2009 3:30 pm

The fact that you were deceived in the past is the key to everything.

That's one of the basic claims we all have ... all the time ... for everything.

A basic part of "Contracting" is that you display FULL KNOWLEDGE of what you are getting in to.

And one of the basic Rules is ... that it should be written in plain English ... or plain Italian, in your case, Sandro.

So ... whatever Agreement you may have signed (without reading the small print as most of us don't) is NULL & VOID if the precise definitions of all important words DOES NOT EXACTLY MATCH THE ENGLISH OR ITALIAN equivalent.

And, if the case IS that there is a precise match ... then there was no need to define them for the purposes of the Agreement ... any more than it is necessary to define the meanings of punctuation or other words such as "the", "it", "tomato", "pizza", etc.

The only reason for RE-defining these words is to turn them into something they were never intended to represent.

That's DECEPTION. Pure & simple. BY DEFINITION.
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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby BaldBeardyDude » Thu May 14, 2009 3:36 pm

Ya know - I've been hunting, reading and worrying about the definitions and phrases 'they' use for nigh on a year now..... :grr:

V - you're a bloody marvel, babe :love: - it really is that simple isn't it? FECK ME!

And the little light goes on......... :blush: Thanks V - big hugs for that one, darling. I'll deffo buy you a drink in Notts for Lloyd Pye - PUBLIC NOTICE IS GIVEN!! :giggle:

Hold me to it, ok? :kiss:

Damned idiot, wastin my time like that.....grumble, mumble, moan, mutter.......IDIOT :mrgreen:

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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby Veronica » Thu May 14, 2009 5:39 pm

It's the way I tell 'em! :grin:
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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby BaldBeardyDude » Thu May 14, 2009 5:54 pm

Mebbe you'd like to change your name to Veronica of the Carson family? :rotfl: :rotfl:

Seriously, babe - thank you. You really have saved me all that bloody scratching round, trying to find the rules of thier game, when I just need to use my own built-in rules, given to me by nature. :grin: :clap:

Funny how things that stare you in the face only become apparent when someone points them out, eh? :rotfl:

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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby Veronica » Thu May 14, 2009 6:00 pm

Pete ... all I know is that you are a much better audience this week, than they were last week! (Oh, they were a funny lot last week, I can tell you)
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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby sandruzzo » Fri May 15, 2009 6:51 am

thanks a lot Veronica

so if I get well,any previous contracts/documents are NULL because my signature isn't equal like the name written on them and because their wasn't clear,isn't? so I can tell them:sorry,I'm not me,or something like that :grin:

next Monday (18th May)I'm gonna send my Notice to Minister of Interior ,then I'll let you know:it's all new here in Italy,I'm very exited :phew:


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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby Veronica » Fri May 15, 2009 9:54 am

Yes Sandro: of the family Sabene ... whichever way you look at it .. you've been deceived.

Deceived, primarily, that YOUR CONSENT was needed for EVERYTHING ... unless you harmed someone else ... in any way.

Deceived that EVERYTHING YOUR GOVERNMENT DOES, AND HAS DONE ... YOU ARE -NOT- BOUND BY (in Law). And neither are the rest of your fellow Countrymen.

Right now I have to go and take my Italian friend to hospital. I might suggest putting you in touch with her daughter in Torino. Maybe that might start the Italian Chapter? Who knows. She may not agree.

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Re: past ID with our photo

Postby alex71 » Sun May 17, 2009 1:49 pm

Great post!
i was just going to post a thread asking some advise as i have had the idea of making my own I.D card with my photo on it.



could somebody explain /break down the bits in bold for me in more 'layman' terms as i dont think i am comprehending it correctly
Veronica wrote:The fact that you were deceived in the past is the key to everything.

That's one of the basic claims we all have ... all the time ... for everything.

A basic part of "Contracting" is that you display FULL KNOWLEDGE of what you are getting in to.by acting as your PERSON, signing or verbal agreement???

And one of the basic Rules is ... that it should be written in plain English ... or plain Italian, in your case, Sandro.

So ... whatever Agreement you may have signed (without reading the small print as most of us don't) is NULL & VOID if the precise definitions of all important words DOES NOT EXACTLY MATCH THE ENGLISH OR ITALIAN equivalent.????

And, if the case IS that there is a precise match ... then there was no need to define them for the purposes of the Agreement ... any more than it is necessary to define the meanings of punctuation or other words such as "the", "it", "tomato", "pizza", etc.????



basicly my thinking behind making my own ID card is, that should a policyman or other person try and enforce a statute upon me... i can produce some form of ID......... that without entering into contract or dishonour(should they see it like that) by refusing to give my 'fictional name' or any ID, i can produce 'my' id card which will state i am the Agent for said fictional PERSON.


idea of wording on card, please point out anything you see wrong, please also note i am fairly new to this and have found nothing about this on the net(yet)............. its just a thought........ i may be completly off the mark here, so please tell me if i am...... explaining where i am wrong would help me greatly :saint:



I, John: Doe, a flesh and blood man and blessed living Soul serving God alone claim the right to abide/live by common law and that law alone.

I, John : Doe do NOT consent into any form of contract with yourself by providing this form of identification.

This document gives an acurate (and lawful??)description of 'John Doe' who is an agent for the legal fiction JOHN DOE

pic here*********photograph* of agent acting on behalf of the legal fiction JOHN DOE

correspondence address

C/O
26 the windywalk
town
city
county
near the postcode [po6576]

given under protest and duress
WITHOUT PREJUDICE, i.e. all Natural Inalienable Rights Reserved
Please address all future correspondence written or verbal in the matter to a direct Human Self, spelt out exactly as typed, namely John : of the Doe family, as commonly called.



my idea behind this, that i can provide a form of id for my human self and i am stateing in writing that i do not enter into contract with the person requiring it......... i have provided them with proof of who i am and that i understand my rights under common law.

questions i have

well first off would this work, either with corrections or in the theroy? am i way off the mark with this?

can i do this without filling a claim of undertsanding and intent or anything like that, basicly as i live now, someone discovering there a real free-person but not having notified any legal fiction yet?
I am about a month away from sending in my claim of rights anyway, but would love to be able to have this........ if its any good.

will it actually offer me any form of protection/aid, will it help me explain to a policy man where im comming from in claiming my rights. rather than just starting off when they ask my name saying ' am i obliged to answer that' and getting there backs up........... i wish to act as a freeman and protecting those rights but without blinding the poorly informed policy officer or whoever with laws they havent heard of and agrivating the situation.

i might add i havent been stoped by the police etc for years and am a peacefull person who really should have no need for this, but would like to discuss its relavance or usefullness, if there is one.

this is my first post :cheer: so please constructive answers pleaaaaase
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