

koekemoer wrote:you too have knowledge of the workings of a custody suite. how many is most? 50%, 60%? if you have figures bring them to the table. i think you would find it is very few who have the right denied/delayed and the desicision is justified when doing so.
the descision to hold a person incommunicado is always recorded on the custody record as well as who made the desicions and the reason for doing so. It may be that a phone call is put into a Inspector who may be miles away dealing with an incident and he will authorise that calls are witheld. that desision may have been made before the prisoner arrived at the station as the arresting officer fears that the detainee will call an acomplice to destroy evidence prior to any search being done of home addresses.
koekemoer wrote:ok so everyone you know has had their right to a phonecall denied?
koekemoer wrote:the fact of the matter is the modern police are so over cautious of litigation they would have to have a lot of good reason to deny any rights to a detained person. custody sergeants are ussually the more experienced officers on the shift. they would not want to risk a 20 year carreer and pension without a very good reason.
I did, and the CPS offered no evidence. But why should I have had to go through all of that simply because of Police Officers who don't know their own rules and who don't know the law?koekemoer wrote:if you feel so strongly about not engaging with the law take the fine from the cop and go to Mags court and convince them of teh validity of your argument.
koekemoer wrote:if stopped you will not be arrested if you can prove who you are and where you live.
koekemoer wrote:ok so everyone you know has had their right to a phonecall denied?
koekemoer wrote:how many people do you know?
koekemoer wrote:10, 100, 1000? not exactly a scientific sample is it?
koekemoer wrote:is this in one force area?
koekemoer wrote:what the demeanour of the arrested person?
koekemoer wrote:if he/she was violent/posing a risk to officer and others in the custody suite then they will go straight down the cell till they calm down hence the call is delayed.
koekemoer wrote:the fact of the matter is the modern police are so over cautious of litigation they would have to have a lot of good reason to deny any rights to a detained person. custody sergeants are ussually the more experienced officers on the shift. they would not want to risk a 20 year carreer and pension without a very good reason.
koekemoer wrote:you and i agree that burglars etc need to be arrested but you seem hung up on the matter of motorists being arrested for not having the correct doc etc. simply put you need a licence & insurance to drive a vehicle, and an MOT if applicable.
koekemoer wrote:if you feel so strongly about not engaging with the law take the fine from the cop and go to Mags court and convince them of teh validity of your argument.
koekemoer wrote:honestly friend if you have these hordes of unfortunates who have had their rights denied in custody get them together and put together a case against police, if Mark Thomas can get 1200 quid for a 12 minute illegal search i dare say you lot will be quids in.
koekemoer wrote:my views may be oppresive to your mind but they follow the law of the land.
koekemoer wrote:the issue of "right" is one of proportionality and balance.
koekemoer wrote:is your right to a phonecall greater than that of the other prioners/solicitors/civilians etc in the custody suite to not be placed in harms way?
koekemoer wrote:oh woodman sorry my apparently "oppresive" views can not be aired on your website. do you only accept input from people you like & agree with? unless I listen & learn your point of view am i persona non-grata? or could you accept that there is another side to the story?
Indeed, I myself have already been made an offer of recompense. Am I correct in thinking that you believe that everyone who is detained is treated fairly and within their rights? because if you believe that, you most certainly live in cloud cuckoo land.koekemoer wrote:honestly friend if you have these hordes of unfortunates who have had their rights denied in custody get them together and put together a case against police, if Mark Thomas can get 1200 quid for a 12 minute illegal search i dare say you lot will be quids in.
as I said, living in cloud cuckoo land.koekemoer wrote:my views may be oppresive to your mind but they follow the law of the land.
Read PACE again, read my comments regarding annex b, copy and pasted in FULL just for you. You need to wobble your head mate and get some sense into it, how does a phone call harm another? do you have sharpened telephones or something? you are just trying to justify that fact that you as a Policeman was not aware of the right to a phone call.koekemoer wrote:the issue of "right" is one of proportionality and balance. is your right to a phonecall greater than that of the other prioners/solicitors/civilians etc in the custody suite to not be placed in harms way?
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