The three principles of registration

[the_common_law_reverend_kenny]

re: Torrens title

'The 'mirror' principle, the 'curtain' principle and the 'insurance' principle form the tripod on which the whole system of land registration rests.....( for that matter all processes of tptb registration appear based on torrens)

1. The mirror principle - the registry must reflect 'the truth' of the matter - i/e respect the registry. (the register is the truth!!)

2. The curtain principle - real ownership can be hidden behind title ( i.e trust ownership need not be declared).

and

3.The insurance principle. - the owner of the registry is liable.

ref: http://tinyurl.com/ycfg5o4
ref: principles of land law.

[the_common_law_reverend_kenny]

A fair amount of indicators suggest that the registration systems in effect, land, birth, etc.. using the above methods. Essentially it allows for a system of record that does not show ownership, it shows title only. (face value)

and of the three principles the curtain is the the most succinct.

ps. allows more than one title (register reflects equitable title)

other titles are not shown/seen

re.k

[the_common_law_reverend_kenny]

The system is used in the British Commonwealth countries, including Canada, and in Europe but has not been widely adopted in the United States. The first U.S. Torrens system was enacted by Illinois in 1897.

http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3437704404.html

[BaldBeardyDude]

A fair amount of indicators suggest that the registration systems in effect, land, birth, etc.. using the above methods. Essentially it allows for a system of record that does not show ownership, it shows title only. (face value)

and of the three principles the curtain is the the most succinct.

ps. allows more than one title (register reflects equitable title)

other titles are not shown/seen

re.k

Which would suggest all this is based on trust laws or principles to mask the scam wouldn't it?

BBD

[the_common_law_reverend_kenny]

i'd agree with that yes. It makes clear why a judge for instance relies totally on the register to draw 'fact' from. What I mean is regards say children and mortgages, a birth cert prooves title, if the govt own the registry then they own the title, the birth cert is proof of title NOT 'proof of identity' ( as they keep telling us), so the judge cares not for any other ownership claim.

Similar also, if a land charge is registered then the 'body' that laid the charge has title.

So far ( and I mean YET) we havn't been able to get a judge or a migistrate to question the register, they wont, ever. If the register is shown just once to be flawed then surely the whole register can be shown to be fraud...

[BaldBeardyDude]

i'd agree with that yes. It makes clear why a judge for instance relies totally on the register to draw 'fact' from. What I mean is regards say children and mortgages, a birth cert prooves title, if the govt own the registry then they own the title, the birth cert is proof of title NOT 'proof of identity' ( as they keep telling us), so the judge cares not for any other ownership claim.

The judge sees the strawman in front of him as the trustee in breach, so finds against him in equity, as he has not fulfilled his fiduciary duties. We can change this situation as you know.

Similar also, if a land charge is registered then the 'body' that laid the charge has title.

On the mortgage deeds I have seen, WE request the charge be put on, so...

So far ( and I mean YET) we havn't been able to get a judge or a migistrate to question the register, they wont, ever. If the register is shown just once to be flawed then surely the whole register can be shown to be fraud...

No, they will not. The register evidence the splitting of perfect title into two titles, thus forming a trust impliedly, with us implied in the wrong position, fooling us into paying.

Excellent thread and posts, Kenny!

[retlaw]

thank you so much for this thread,
it is one of the most useful threads i seen in any forum,
it puts everything together for me,

land, cars, births, its all the same,
now to put it to use


i hope you don't mind me pinching your words?

[consumerpada]

i hope you don't mind me pinching your words?

If it works for you, you must use it....!!.. There is no copyright on this type of research at all. By nature, we all have strands in different directions.

Sometimes it is clear that the pieces must come together for different people at different times. When it comes together and the penny drops the explanations become simpler and clearer. Such is the way.