Hi guys, my two penneth for what it is worth!
1. I believe we should move the trust "project" from this discussion as many are still learning this new technology (benefits or not), and it disjoints this thread (I am responsible also for this) and the creditor/debtor approach
IS still being used even by those looking into trusts. (OK Me!!) I think it only fair and honourable and also in respect to FMOTL Michael who has spent a significant amount of time, effort and resources to get us this far... I for one remain eternally grateful to him for having the heart and such a great attitude for sharing his significant efforts (thanks Michael I am indebted to you for sharing what you know and understand

) and will continue to utilise what he/you has/have posted here and I very much look forward to what else he/you has to post....
2. I also agree with BTM: The debtor/creditor private administration route still has potential and whilst not always delivering the success we all crave, it
HAS yielded success in the past... For me the key here is do your research, understand what you are doing and do not be intimidated.... if you copy and paste with blind hope then you are in most likelyhood going to fail.... sorry...
3. Lets not forget that many here are still pioneering what we are doing... and on that front two other people who I hold in highest regard and will be eternally grateful to are Martin (Arturo) and Michael (Oshun)... you have dared to tread where many have not ... you have the courage to stand up for what you believe is right...

If you are in doubt, re-read this thread.....
4. FMOTL Michael has provided the framework from which to move forward... he has never, at any stage said it
WOULD WORK FOR YOU.... we all need to take responsibility for our actions and deeds... If I have learnt one thing it is keep researching until you have that AHA! moment... then keep researching until you have that AHA! moment, then keep.... "
you get the picture."Are we any closer to success... IMHO absolutely..... and I am reminded of the geese flying North (or is it South) for the winter... one leads the others follow until a new leader leads... shareing the responsibility, shareing the burded... until.... they get to where they set out to go....
Trusts.... do your own research and educate yourself..... Is it worth the effort, that is for you to decide, but I for one believe that the more options you have open to you the better equiped you are... on that point HS & BBD

awesome... Thanks...