The meaning of meaning

[enegiss]

gepisar, that is the 64,000,000 dollar question, and i shall ponder it very carefully, as i feel that if i give an answer of the cuff, i will do you, nor me any favours, and in a way, i am very glad you asked me this, as i have always took my spirituality for granted, therefore i thankyou for raising this thought, and again ime sorry for the miss spelling of your title, i find i keep having to edit it, and i dont know why i may be dyslexic on the one word . i will get to thinking on this right away peace to you my brother in thought

[treeman]

Are we not just vibrating atoms on a physical plain of existance, if it is the search for the divine you seek, look into a telescope into space and marvel at the natural creation of the universe. i dont believe any entity has copyright. The meaning of meaning is there is no meaning. one cannot define something that is undefinable, this is just the way I SEE IT, SORRY if it doesnt fall into any kind of category or structure but you know religion is the greatest divider of mankind.

[enegiss]

hi treeman, just a thought, ive always thought that man has been the great divider of people, rather than god, i think when spin is placed upon a thing such as religion, it narrows the perspective of the observer, and leads to disharmony, or thats what i think. peace

[treeman]

Your correct enegiss but if there is a god, why does it allow divisions of man.

[enegiss]

that depends on what your thoughts are to freewill treeman, i believe we can ultimately make right or wrong decisions, sometimes the decisions we make are not good even when we believe they are, so for me the case is god leaves us to it, as we all return to god and death is not a bad thing. horror is something we all should try and avoid but the forces of materialistic views and aims, disregard god and create horror for the love of power and wealth in the here and now of this world, life is short and the lessons for some are hard to learn in the amount of time we recieve, so on it goes until the end of this time, men are quite arrogant in their intellect, and some believe they are better than others in their births, which i think, causes them to believe they are the only right ones to dish out anything worth having, by their standards. when death calls us to god, then i think we get to understand where we went wrong, and then pay the penalty of living with similar ( like minds)in the next life or platform of existence, untill we reach a critical level of understanding and go forth into the truth. peace, what do you think?

[treeman]

I think therefore I AM, and i think youve got it in a nutshell there,If one chooses to believe in something beyond belief.Its hard for myself to grasp but i can agree with your observation.

[enegiss]

hi gepisar,I would try and say spirituality is the place where you exist in, when a thing of such a nature makes you question your Self being. It is in the pain of feeling that you know that you exist. Or the smile of a beloved, that is so intense on your heart, and the thought that if someone felt like that, about yourself, it would be unimaginable. Spirituality is to feel that even the worst of life is bearable if it is around someone you love. For me it was to meet the strange power of god. To get that kind of thing, I would imagine, would be hard without inspiration or an epiphany, of some sort, I suppose I was lucky in the fact I had an epiphany a few years ago, I believed in god firstly with my logical head, I once thought when I was very young that I was part of a universe, and, I think so therefore, I AM, but I could never understand why, if, I was, did I create a world of war and disaster, I could never find myself to agree with the known doctrine of Christianity, as even being under ten, I actually believed we all had our own universe and the collective conscious was to bizarre a thing for me, as it meant if I had been experiencing myself for eternity, I was doing a pretty lousy job of it because I was stuck in some kinda time continuum, I knew that Jesus was not god, it seemed just to obvious? Kinda. Anyway, one of the catholic teachers, an older guy (about 50) pulled me in front of the class and openly declared me a pagan, I wasn’t shocked, as at the time it didn’t matter much to me, but it mattered to him, as a time later, he took me to one side and apologized, and I could see he meant it, later in life on reflection of things, the memory remained and I couldn’t understand why. As I rolled through life, I went on to do lots of extraordinary things, which most people would never do back in the 60s and 70s,and onwards, like you, I looked for the enjoyment in life, and experienced many sides of life, never to bad but never to good, stuck in the dunya (world) and enjoying the moment of life as it happened, I always thought there must be a driving force other than myself, kicking this universe into gear. So after many years of it (spirituality) not really being a thought in my head, I came into a really trippy time of life, at about forty two, I met a girl half my age who seemed to be attached to me in a loving way. She was and still is, very beautiful to look at, like Cleopatra, very aqualine features, and a strong character with a touch of wild madness, I suppose it was paradise on earth for me, anyway, after almost six years and one child (aged 5) things went very badly wrong, in my naivity of women, I actually thought I knew her, uh! Uh! Not even close, I was shocked to say the least, we lived quite high of the hog for those six years and I suppose I was blind to life, as I was very wrapped up in the work I did for a living, I adored my little girl and felt so terrible that her life had gone to shit with her mum becoming the way she was, mum got off and me and my little girl got on with our lives, this was the period when I became aware of Gods presence in my head as a logical reasoned thought, as I had gone into myself on a quest for understanding of life. After a long time of listening to my jewish friends and muslim friends to get an answer, It one day absolutely just dawned on me as a fundamental truth, and I fully accepted that God was truly the master, about a week later someone handed me a piece of paper and what was wrote on the paper was the complete sentence, La-illah-a il-la-llah, which means, There is no god but god, and that’s when the epiphany happened to me, and it was very very intense, it made my body go into a kind of shock, and the weight of worry was lifted from me, strange as it may seem, from that moment it changed my phsyche into a more balanced being, all the anger of life went from me and I became a grateful believer, and now my spirituality allows me to look at life in an almost observer way, and it helps me in every way I can think of, even when things look bad it is still a blessing because the bad always brings with it a clearness of thought and a way to explain or behave, that for me was my introduction to belief in god and a full sense of my spirituality, I wish I could pass it on, but it appears as an enemy of these times, to feel this way, and sometimes it can be a strain on people near me as it threatens them in a way I cannot understand, after this epiphany I started to read the philosophers in a fragmented way, to see what others thought, and islams philosophy is ideal for me, unfortunately, it is not everyones cup of tea, certainly after the dissapointment of christianity, but one thing I always felt was true, was the message that Jesus was telling people. (just read the sermon on the mount, it is truly very deep and meaningful) as I didn’t really know the ways of prophet mohammed pbuh, I decided to follow what I know as the teachings of the messiah, which is very spiritual and not the way of the new testament at all, gepisar, if that gave you any insight at all, then it is down to you gaining spirituality, if it comes across as just some ramblings of a nutjob, then I don’t know what else to say , I think you get it or you don’t in this life, but in the next episode we will know for sure. Peace to you and yours, and everyone enjoy the christ mass holy day, not that I believe for one moment it is his birthday, but the sentiment that is expressed within the nonsense is a blessing to one and all peace

[jobsaboba]

how could one experience spirituality, if one had not exsisted without it ?
surely if one lived in total spirituality and nirvanah, one would not recognise it as different, as one would not be aware.
i rather feel that the journey we take in our human space suits, is one away from what we would call home.
no less than the cycles of the earth, and of nature, and the seasons, we are solid and fluid and etheric at different times.
the experiences we go through serve to better what we call our understanding, although i have my doubts lol.
only when you cannot take anymore........ will the door open and you shall be given

warmest regards

jobs

p.s. yea its the silly season

[enegiss]

hi jobs, you remind me a little of rumi, one of the great sufi poets, have a great few days, peace and love

[jobsaboba]

hi jobs, you remind me a little of rumi, one of the great sufi poets, have a great few days, peace and love

cheers mate, you too

jobs