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Ancient Mystery

Postby musashi » Tue Aug 22, 2017 2:06 pm

Even though God had Satan – He still created Mohammed.
He had Hell - yet He still created Islam.
He had Demons – and yet He still created Muslims.
Verily, the ways of God are indeed a mystery surpassing all understanding.
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby iamani » Wed Aug 23, 2017 2:49 pm

Hi musashi

Come on, you're wasting yourself in fear. Live a little.

Cheers!
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby enegiss » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:20 am

for anyone who has an interest in what the book Al Quran (the expression ) really expresses, then one can do no better than to read Ahle Aqle.s blog.
i am not promoting any religious non sense and have no interest in what any religion represents, but books are helpful in seeing the reality of certain agendas, and just a word to Musashi, i understand the monstrosity named Islam of which you are talking, but it is a complete fraud and is nothing really to do with what the book actually says, it is purely a book of psychology and is nothing to do with the "belief system" currently engaged in by those who call themselves "muslim. Anyways the world is a mad place and has many crazy things in it, including the non sense concepts started by any self obsessed people who feel that others should follow their particular definitions of mans life, like democracy and republics, religions and cults.

You have studied this manuscript musashi, but always through the lense offered, so now for something completely different ( monty Python ) :grin:

https://plus.google.com/101620110618540646643/posts

have a read and make a comment.
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby musashi » Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:58 pm

Okay – I had a look and I am neither surprised nor moved by it. Your blogger's approach is very Sufic and offers Sufi type interpretations and translations and approaches. I shouldn't be surprised to find he is Naqshbandi. Some Sufis describe Sufism as a traditional psychology. My own Sufi teacher did the same and presented Mohammed as a Sufi master and his companions as disciples. Much was interpreted in this way, but it is very hard to reconcile claims of being a teacher with a traditional psychology document and esoteric teaching with the bloody-handed, genocidal actions of the man. Having said that, however, I am reminded of what I wrote about the Sufi origins of global warming, AGENDA 21 and more in Wisdom of the Idiots; Part 29.

Sufism is not an expression of Islam. Nor does it express Islam. It attached itself to Islam as a rising star as it had attached itself to others in the past and as it has since attached itself to the scientific west. That it attached itself here is well known among Sufis and their students, and Idries Shah, my late teacher, was known as al qutub – the magnetic pole or centre.
Sufis do not promote Islam or seek converts to Islam and are surprised, even astonished, when or if any Sufi student embraces formal Islam or, indeed, any formal religion. In Islamic countries, by necessity, they make an outward show of it.

Every Sufi document, book, poem, epigram or comment I have ever read was/is immaculate in its conception, language, construction and presentation.
The Koran is severely discursive and it's almost impossible to read through one chapter and remember what it was supposed to be about by the time you get half way through it. Meandering, repetitious, demagogic rhetoric based loosely and often indifferently and wrongly on earlier works and sometimes using his own past words as an authority to refer to and prove his point – when some women asked him why they were inferior he referred them to a passage in his Koran – doesn't it say so there? Well, then, it must be so.

When did Islam become a fraud?
Muhammed ibn Zaccharia, 854 – 925 CE, a chemist, philosopher, physician and important pioneer in medicine said -
“If the people of Islam are asked about the soundness of their religion, they flare up, get angry and spill the blood of whoever confronts them with this question. They forbid rational speculation, and strive to kill their adversaries. This is why truth has become thoroughly silenced and concealed.”
This is not my idea of a psychology practice - unless your business is trauma.
And, he says further,
“You claim that the evidentiary miracle is present and available, namely the Koran. You say: “Who ever denies it, let him produce a similar one.” Indeed, we shall produce a thousand similar, from the works of rhetoricians, eloquent speakers and valiant poets, which are more appropriately phrased and state the issues more succinctly. They convey the meaning better and their rhymed prose is in better meter . . . By God what you say astonishes us! You are talking about a work which recounts ancient myths, and which at the same time is full of contradictions and does not contain any useful information or explanation.”

As for any morality enshrined in the Koran, Sam Harris, said this -
“People have been murdered over cartoons. End of moral analysis.

I say again - Every Sufi document, book, poem, epigram or comment I have ever read was/is immaculate in its conception, language, construction and presentation.
The Koran is itself a stealth document. The fist three chapters were written in Mecca when he had hopes that the Meccans would accept him as the new messiah. These chapters are almost spiritual, or at least pious, and if they had stopped there it might have made a passable religion - as these things go. The rest of the chapters were written after the Hegira, the flight to Medina from the Meccans who wanted to kill him, where he sought refuge with the Jews but who, after testing, also rejected his claim of being the messiah. Chapter four on to the end of the book is a war document spattered here and there with civil and criminal law and rules to control even the smallest, most intimate of human behaviours - how to wipe one's bottom; how many times a day one may fart, for example. A licence from God to kill – especially and in particular, Jews, who took him in at Medina and helped him in his greatest extremity, then treacherously slaughtered in a several days long orgy of beheading in a fit of pique at being rejected by them.

I say once again - Every Sufi document, book, poem, epigram or comment I have ever read was/is immaculate in its conception, language, construction and presentation.
The Koran is self-contradictory. The companions of the prophet and early followers questioned this disparity. His reply was that the later chapters abrogate the earlier ones – but he never removed the abrogated chapters, leaving the Koran as a stealth document of unparalleled deceit.
This stealth component, coupled with Taqiyya, also enshrined in the Koran, makes Islam a confusing, untrustworthy and highly lethal retrograde force to encounter or to live with.
The wives of Mohammed also left their own records and they commented on how, so often when Mohammed could not get his own way in some matter or other, a verse or chapter of the Koran would suddenly be revealed to him that allowed him to have his own way.
This dualism is why a Muslim can say, honestly and truly enough,
'The Koran says let there be no compulsion in religion.'
The same Muslim can also say, honestly and truly enough,
'The Koran says kill all those who reject Islam.'

Your referenced writer gives his interpretation of certain chapters and words and phrases.

There is only one Koran accepted by the majority of Moslems. There is only one prophet. There is only one interpretation of the Koran and that is Mohammed's. Moslems say he was Insaan-i-kamil – the perfect man - therefore his interpretation is perfect. The interpretation of Islam is unequivocally clear and easily read in his autobiography, Sira, in the writings of his wives and the companions, and in Ibn Bukhari's Hadeeth. How do we reconcile the idea of a spiritual master with a child rapist, enthusiastic decapitator of men and women and an oppressor of women? Or one who creates an elite fighting force – the Fedayeen - dedicated to protect him?

There is only one interpretation of the Koran and that is Mohammed's.
How should we interpret 183 divine commandments to kill the unbeliever? That they are merely metaphors, or similes? That they are to be read only in the context of the time? Or that they are encoded teachings, cryptographic references to esoteric matters beyond mere verbal articulation?
There must surely be no need of the interpretation of any others, no matter how pious or how intellectually well endowed, to know the true meaning of 'Kill the infidel wherever you find him'
and to see that that is exactly what they have been doing ever since that first slaughter in Medina 1400 years ago.

It is quite possible that your writer is himself labouring under the crippling burden of cognitive dissonance in a dualistic metaphysical dichotomy which he tries to resolve by reinterpretation of that which already has the one, and only one, valid interpretation. An irresolvable dichotomy holds few options – psychotic breakdown in trying to resolve it; non questioning acceptance and existence in a pseudo-intellectual environment in which retrograde thinking systems allow little to no progress, or adopting a schizophrenic insanity (Dissociative Identity Disorder) and embracing it. Apropos that, Sam Clemens (Mark Twain) wrote of the Moslems
“Examine the Koran. I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane, not in all things, but in religious matters.”

If you want another view of Islam and the Koran go ask the Sikhs and the Hindus. I'll repeat a Hindu joke for you here.
A Hindu listened to some Moslems extol their religion as a model of peace, tolerance, justice and equality. A great spiritual text for all mankind, they said. He took a Koran from them, promised to read it and come back the following week. He did this, and when the Moslems asked him what he thought he said, “First, let me read that other Koran – the one you were talking about last week.”

The bottom line is that there is only one interpretation of Islam and that is from Mohammed, the fat, pale dwarf, (according to his wives and companions) warmonger, child rapist, murderer, slaver, thief, arch deceiver and oppressor of women everywhere.

As William Gladstone said “The Koran . . . an accursed book. While there is that book the world can never know peace.”
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby enegiss » Fri Sep 15, 2017 9:59 am

well... it was a bit of a read and i am positive there isnt any type of sufism involved in the writings on the blog, again, it isnt a religious manuscript although the majority do believe it to be, It is just a book. the hadith are the ramblings of the mad as i am sure anyone who doesnt profess to being muslim will agree, anyways, we will no doubt do our own things in life and unfortunately there is no accounting for the individual man and his understandings as to what this book says, but for those who promote religion in any form are truly off their rockers.
i didnt point to the blog to try and move you musashi, i was pointing out the agenda of those who push muslimism and how it is done by totally rearranging how it is meant to be understood ( although in its time it wasnt an actual book but a oral rendition.)

All this "he says they say" is nothing to do with what is actually written and is a call to authority of those who are running the same old agenda .

It is quite possible that your writer is himself labouring under the crippling burden of cognitive dissonance in a dualistic metaphysical dichotomy which he tries to resolve by reinterpretation of that which already has the one, and only one, valid interpretation. An irresolvable dichotomy holds few options – psychotic breakdown in trying to resolve it; non questioning acceptance and existence in a pseudo-intellectual environment in which retrograde thinking systems allow little to no progress, or adopting a schizophrenic insanity (Dissociative Identity Disorder) and embracing it. Apropos that, Sam Clemens (Mark Twain) wrote of the Moslems
“Examine the Koran. I know that beyond any question every Mohammedan is insane, not in all things, but in religious matters.”


like i said, it isnt a religion, but most dont really care to look, and whilst this goes on there will always be problems.
the guy who studies and writes on this blog has no illusions as to what has gone before concerning the mad and the bad, and no credence whatsoever is given to the "Hadith" which is used by the guilty and the haters of the actual book, and i am sure his writing isnt about to change that, as it is all embedded in the minds of the populace already and would be mission impossible. my main point is that allof the teachings of others are pure inculcation and a wish for followers or adherents, and one can truly only rely on ones own mind, and the decision maker in anything is ones own self. Anyway, good to see you as sharp as ever M. :)

in its wholeness, it explains "there is no god, there is the system of consciousness" and we are all in it together.

Edit: as an aside, here are his own words on sufism, so anyone may draw their own conclusions with first hand knowledge rather than be assumptive as to the mans "beliefs", http://ahleaqal.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/sufi-is-arabic-word-which-signifies.html
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby musashi » Fri Sep 15, 2017 3:00 pm

Perhaps you should purchase a copy of “The People Versus Mohammed”.
I haven't read it myself – no need, I say, but I loved the advertising campaign for it and thought it was vastly entertaining and hilarious – but those I know who have say it is most enlightening.

Our problem is that we keep arguing around the same things over and over again and, as I have stated before, philosophy is the path of non action. They kill our children while we discuss their psychology and search their past and argue about when they were corrupted.

We need action not more words and more interpretations that seek either to apologise or condemn.

Was it hijacked and turned into a fraud? Yes? Okay, but it still presents a massive, present day problem and it has to be dealt with.

Was it not hijacked but is still today what it has always been? Yes. Okay, but it still presents a massive problem and it has to be dealt with.

Can we ever know what it really was - a religion or a psychology? Probably not.

Does it really matter except to the historians? Probably not.

Is it harmful to us here and now? Yes.

The only question that should interest us is - what do we do about it? We need only look at what Islam causes and does today to see what we need to do about it. The answer is obvious.
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby musashi » Fri Sep 15, 2017 4:28 pm

Just a small afterthought:
there have been other religions which were so troublesome to everyone not of their religion that they were subjected to a sustained and successful campaign of eradication. The last time was in British India when the Thuggees were destroyed, but that will not be the last time when people rise up and cry 'Enough! These people must be removed from us.'

Islam delenda est, and the first calls demanding that Islam be outlawed in Britain have already been made by a certain prominent member of Ukip. Powerful reactionary forces are lining up.
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby enegiss » Fri Sep 15, 2017 5:17 pm

ime not in disagreement with it being mostly ad hoc non sense as are all other religions and should be dismissed as such, and as a religion it has no place in an evolved community nor should it have, like i said, it is purely a book that points out the attributes of a mans psychology that is drawn from the whole system called or named consciousness.
Should the world decide that i would have to comply to a religion, then i would be at war with the world.
No man has the right to define the reality of another and the bull shit should be stopped in its tracks, but somehow it seems that the other branches of the same tree support it as a religion in real and in legislature, i.e the freedom to practice religion, defender of the faiths, and the like.

I understand you pointing me at books, but the fact is M, from my understanding there wasnt even a character called mohammed and its a pretty much manufactured idea spawned by the goddist.
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby musashi » Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:27 pm

Edit: as an aside, here are his own words on sufism, so anyone may draw their own conclusions with first hand knowledge rather than be assumptive as to the mans "beliefs", http://ahleaqal.blogspot.co.uk/2016/09/sufi-is-arabic-word-which-signifies.html

He wrote his blog in -
Unthinking, uncritical regurgitation of the mistakes and ignorances of earlier superficialists from whom he's drawn all the material for his blog.
Empty barrels still make the most noise.
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Re: Ancient Mystery

Postby enegiss » Mon Sep 18, 2017 11:14 am

He wrote his blog in -
Unthinking, uncritical regurgitation of the mistakes and ignorances of earlier superficialists from whom he's drawn all the material for his blog.
Empty barrels still make the most noise.

as you wish, but that isnt the point.

Islam is provably not a religion, but it is kept afloat as such by the goddist and other religious institutions, whilst those other institutions exist then so will muslimism.

anyways, its been interesting chatting but life goes on and i wont be supporting any others beliefs about what they think particular books express, the mad will stay mad and the bad will stay bad, but the truth is, all of mans institutions ultimately control how people have thought and will think, and it isnt for me to deny them their ways of life, but i will add, never will i be involved with any of these constructed institutions who claim authority over any other, by belief in a deity of any nature. :) take care out there.
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