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Re: Always do this

Postby justlaw » Fri Feb 25, 2011 6:52 am

A Police Officer may without warrant enter any premises where he has reasonable cause to suspect that a person is within/upon those premises that is wanted for an 'Arrestable Offence' or Wanted on Warrant for an Arrestable Offence. Warrants come in many different ways also. Some carry powers of arrest and some dont. Some of those that do carry a power of arrest may only have a limited power of arrest and the person must be released almost immediately after arrest and their address confirmed (Bail Warrant). Other warrants allow a person to be arrested and held to be put before the next availbale court. This ns know as a 'No-Bail Warrant'. No entry can be gained for summary offences like 'Driving without a Licence' for example.


Interesting piece but this passage is wrong, police do not have the right to enter property for those 'wanted for an arrestable offence'. The wording should be that they have a power of entry for those suspected of an indictable offence. Therefore quite rightly, they DO NOT have a power of entry for summary offences i.e matters which can only be heard in a magistrates.

Please see the videos below for the case in point; unlawful police entry

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0rFqidrAI [part 1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2CTDsnH2R4 [part 2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lx0rFqidrAI Police illegal entry [PART1]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2CTDsnH2R4 Police illegal entry [PART2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-A193TUloA Police 999 call - operator refuses to help and swears
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Re: Always do this

Postby helpmeguys » Mon Jun 27, 2011 12:38 pm

As a statute law breaker and with enough experience of courts and police station always do this.

1. Under no circumstances get a duty solicitor, although they say they are here to protect you, this is far far from the truth, a duty solicitor is bound to the courts and has a duty to provide the truth to the judges and court. So the last thing you want to say is, heres the story I am going to go along with, as the solicitor will tell the judges your defence is fictional and not true.

2. Get a solicitor if you can pay for one or have an exsiting solicitor they are the best, and will have you out of that station within no time at all, unlike a duty solicitor whos duty is first to the courts, second police but has no duty other than to advise you on what to say for the benefit of the courts, which will actually work against you, as they will try to make life as simple as possible for you to be charged / fined in the courts.

3. Under no circumstances use NO COMMENT as a reply to any qeustions, in legalese no comment means NO CONTEST, so you really mess things up here, notice that only a duty solicitor willl give you this advice no one else.....but they wont tell you to excercise your righst to silence which is a far better option....why do you think this is????

4. Answer every question the interviiwer fires at you, every single question and unless you have been caught red handed.... it is up to the police to prove the crime....something which they have no time nor desire to do and in this time no money due to cuts....answer every question with a answer that does not incriminate you...that is far better than silence and under no circumstance say NO COMMENT as that is suicide and shows you are ignorant and have disregard for the law.

5. Never ever listen to advice from an ex officer chances are the advice will be biased and will be espcially more biased from someone who has served 14yrs as an officer and 3 yrs as a custody officer.....just think while he was working his conduct was not very good. I am sure he sniggered at people who were in the cells and arrested, and loved excercising his power while he was serving.
You have to remember that a police officer has been conditioned to become a police officer since school, that kind of inbuilt brainwashing and state of mind does not go away when he leaves work, or quits his duty.

If you need any help with any situation you may be experienceing please reply
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Re: Always do this

Postby MikeThomas » Mon Jun 27, 2011 1:24 pm

Would you care to revise your statement Helpmeguys? You've been a member here since 22nd June and suddenly you're attacking one of the founder members of this site. Highsprit has been an inspiration to some and his readily sharing 'inside information' has been a blessing to others.

You wrote:
5. Never ever listen to advice from an ex officer chances are the advice will be biased and will be espcially more biased from someone who has served 14yrs as an officer and 3 yrs as a custody officer.....just think while he was working his conduct was not very good. I am sure he sniggered at people who were in the cells and arrested, and loved excercising his power while he was serving.
You have to remember that a police officer has been conditioned to become a police officer since school, that kind of inbuilt brainwashing and state of mind does not go away when he leaves work, or quits his duty.


Do you have any evidence to substantiate this claim?
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Re: Always do this

Postby kevin » Mon Jun 27, 2011 8:47 pm

helpmeguys wrote:You have to remember that a police officer has been conditioned to become a police officer since school, that kind of inbuilt brainwashing and state of mind does not go away when he leaves work, or quits his duty.



Are you suggesting that people can not change? if you are, and that is true, we may as well all give up now
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Re: Always do this

Postby helpmeguys » Mon Jun 27, 2011 9:38 pm

People cannot change that easily, the advice he gave us all may be what he thinks is the best advice, but does he know what a duty solicitors real duty is? perhaps not because he never went to look under the solicitors cover, so is not aware, that is why you shouldnt take his advice as bread and butter, whats to say his advice is all good and correct, how do you know his agenda? he might be infiltrating for the common purpose bunch against common law.
Although his advice may seem good to him, and to others, it does not mean it is the best advice.

NEVER get a DUTY SOLICITOR = DUTY SUICIDE, because the duty solicitor is not on the arrested ones side, so considering this statment, how can pc ex plods advice about always get a solicitor even a duty solicitor be considered good advice, when that is one thing you should not do, the main thing you should not do unless you have your own paid solicitor whos duty will be to you.

I acknowledge that highsprirt, may have given good advice to others on other issues with success, the reason I pick this out is beacause this is bad advice and I would like to save me fellow freemen......I did not attack highspirit......I commented on his post which is what forums are all about, its called debate. I have not been offensive or derorgatory nor called anyone names nor did I insult anyone, but responded to the post.
If you gonna get all defensive and start accusing me of attacking, for commenting and putting things right.....then what the bloody hell has the world come too, are well soft fruits or something.

FYI, what if pc plod did not know about the ins and outs of duty solicitors, perhaps thats why he gave the advice he did, now he knows I am sure he is thankful and may edit his post accordingly, which is his choice.
I am sure that you are greatful for the information I have given if you want you can cross check me to see if I am telling the truth.

and if your gonna get all hairy about calling using pc ex plod to refer to the human being who wrote the post, then what the hell is the world coming too, are we all soft fruits!!!
Next they will be saying calling somoen blondie or red head is racist lol
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Arrested twice in one weekend

Postby noeusocialism » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:41 pm

Unfortunately I was caught off guard recently and arrested twice in one weekend due to false allegations which will be dealt with by a very useful solicitor on duty at the time.
The reason I was caught off guard was that I was working long shifts at a particular event. Sleep duration was short.
The bare bones of the arrest are that I was surrounded by 4 fascist miltia thugs masquerading as policy men/officers each time. When I laughed at one and questioned one she handcuffed me as she claimed that she was a very poor runner and I was resisting arrest. Have you ever heard such B/S?
I was led through a crowd of fellow workers who voiced there displeasure but that's all. Maybe that will make them realise just what a police state we live in. Sadly givent the recent weekends events I doubt it.
As you can imagine this threw me into a state of shock, but not enough to not read their little book and take note of everything that went on. I kept cool head so that I can recount everything to the solicitor again when making my complaint for compensation. Interesting to see how this works from the inside after reading about it on here. It certainly is a business.
Maybe I disappointed them because I didn't let them rattle me. As I didn't actually do anything wrong in Common Law they released me with the no further action thing. The solictor was very good as he could see that the allegations were groundless.
I didn't say anything to anyone when the solicitor wasn't there. Interviews were interesting and were carried out with the solicitor present. I listened carefully to every question and watched the solicitor for prompts just in case I might fall into a trap. New territory to me obviously.

I don't think it is wise to post about all the details relating to this as my main concern is the arrest/detention part and DNA/ details storage.
So what do you think folks? Is this the right of the website for this? What is Veronicas view on this? I await replies with interest.
Can someone suggest a way forward alongside the solicitor?
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Re: Always do this

Postby Shinkansen » Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:56 pm

I would personally like to thank Highspirit as I realise now the "grey policing area" of "escalating to an assumed arrestable offence" is exactly what happened to me in order to conduct an ulawful search of my person and vehicle. Needless to say an official complaint is pending and what was most interesting is that I was contacted for "further information" about my vehicle and the date "in order to establish the identity of the officers involved". Hmmmm... naughty. Didn't they do their paperwork? God knows I didn't get any.

Highspirit, if you DO still attend these forums, my experience is available to read in the "Police Jurisdiction" forum.

Also, just because you call for your duty-solicitor doesn't mean you use them. I know well from my days being an Appropriate Adult at Police interviews for Vulnerable Adults, that a duty solicitor can really take their sweet time getting to the station. The Police really don't like this, especially if they were the arresting officer. They REALLY want to get home if it's the end of their shift. So, yeah, get your duty solicitor. It's your right. Oh, and FYI, the duty solicitor at the interview I was present at informed the Vulnerable Adult to answer none of the Officer's questions. There's a few good'uns out there.

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Re: Always do this

Postby Kiko4564 » Thu Apr 28, 2016 5:52 pm

To be honest whilst I am not an FMOTL I do disagree with asking for a solicitor. For a start some are crap and although some may well be reasonable I see no point in having one because I would personally never agree to be interviewed by the Police on the grounds that by doing so they can use what you say against you if you answer their questions(not good) or draw an adverse inference if you don't answer their questions (not good). Simply refusing to be interviewed or answer Police questions does not give the Police a legal reason to charge you with an offence although they may well still do but that is no big deal if you're innocent or the evidence is insufficent to convict, you can just plead not guilty and deny everything in court!
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Re: Always do this

Postby musashi » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:18 pm

Download the attachment for the use of handcuffs guide by ACPO
Also the one for photography.

ACPO stuff is on the net available to download.
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Re: Always do this

Postby musashi » Thu Apr 28, 2016 6:28 pm

Never ever ever speak to the police. Unless it's you making the complaint.
So says a lawyer with thirty years experience, a police detective with twenty seven years experience, and a judge with forty years of experience.

I say exactly the same but I add - unless you're trying to educate them.
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