Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby Justice » Wed Aug 03, 2011 6:25 pm

I quote from Ben Lowrey's site: -

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In this Appeal Judgement in 1969, Lord Denning said,
"A Bill of Exchange or Promissory Note is to be treated as cash."
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"Pick your philosophy carefully. If you operate on the idea that "It's all an illusion anyway" then you had better pre-consider how that idea is gunna help you if you end up in prison. An in depth knowledge of the history and evolution of law and court procedure is gonna be much more valuable than some cute esoteric platitudes. It may be perfectly true that there is nothing to fear but fear itself, but that idea will not cut through bars." - Ben Lowrey

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With all due respect, for what useful purpose has Veronica: Chapman stated money is an illusion?
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Re: Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby greg » Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:38 pm

Money is something I've pondered a lot. I have nothing against money as a means of exchange. The problems we have now with money (IMO) is who controls it and for what end.

The concept of money is essentially that you don't have to swap fish with bread to swap with someone else who has beef but doesn't want fish for example. That's all well and good, but when you have private interests with a monopoly on this means of exchange, who inflate the money supply at will and destroy its value (people's labour) and other people who tax your labour at around 60 or 70% for the privilege it becomes a big problem.

Money is an illusion in in the sense that we don't need it to live, yet currently people are starving to death for lack of it. Therefore when it comes down to the crunch, food is more valuable. You can buy food with money, but only if people are willing to exchange for that money because they have faith that someone else will value it. As soon as the faith goes then it ceases to become money and becomes toilet paper.

So ask yourself what value does it really have? Perhaps in this matrix world we live in you may value it, but wouldn't you sooner have 100 acres of prime land?

If you're on the commercial redemption route, my advice is don't bother because I believe it's BS due to seeing no evidence to the contrary. If you have evidence that it works then post it up, but I think it's strange that people who sell A4V information only accept money; you can't A4V their DVDs can you?

Besides which, if commercial redemption were real, then we could just A4V everything in the world. Sooner or later everyone would A4V everything, no one would work and there would be no food to eat, no gas for heating and so on.

So this comes back to the question - where does money get its value? I put it to you that it's from people's labour. I realise this is similar to Marx's labour theory of value, so I would like to point out that I abhor communism, socialism and marxism. It's ironic that Marx came up with a labour theory of value when he never had a job in his f*cking life, the lazy, scrounging b*stard!

Also, I'd stop listening to Ben Lowrey as he hasn't got a clue what he's talking about in my opinion.

So, "With all due respect, for what useful purpose has Veronica: Chapman stated money is an illusion?"

I can't speak for Veronica, and she won't be here to answer, but if I had to wager a guess I'd say she said this to make you question the nature of money, the control it has over people and evalute what you think about this.

So as this is a forum; what are your thoughts?

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Re: Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby huntingross » Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:47 pm

Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Does the idea "It's all Admiralty Law" serve any practical use ?

Does the Idea "Birth Certificates are Bonds" serve any practical use ?

Choose your subject, insert it into the quotes and then answer NO.

These are all useful questions to awakening, but the further you get down that road, the more you'll realise that none of it matters when you know that it's all nothing without people, sovereign people.

As greg says, money as exchange isn't the problem, it's interest that kills.
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Re: Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby jonboy » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:12 pm

Money IS an illusion. The biggest illusion ever pulled on mankind.

It is the ultimate tool of enslavement.

People get up every morning, not with the urge to get food or water, but money.

Humans do not need money.

People die because they do not have enough "money", people kill themselves because they do not have enough "money"

People kill each other for "money".

Wars are fought for "money".

Crimes (in fact 99% of crimes) are commited in pursuit of "money".

The Earth does not send out invoices for it resources, the resources from which EVERYTHING is derived.

We live in a land of plenty, scarcity is a man made concept to keep us enslaved, to create a hierarchy, he who "owns" more, is more important.

In fact, nobody "owns" anything, how can they?

I would suggest watching/reading "Michael Tellinger: Contributionism" for a better understanding.

Don't even bother with "but everybody would sit around doing nothing", They wouldnt.

People could do that now, but the vast majority go out and occupy themselves.

Dont even bother with "but everybody could have a Ferrari", Yes they could ! and so fucking what?? There would be no hierarchies.

The only reason we are in this mess we are in now, and "they" have control, is because "they" have more money, and they threaten "us" with taking our money.
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Re: Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby kevin » Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:29 pm

Justice wrote:
With all due respect, for what useful purpose has Veronica: Chapman stated money is an illusion?


with all due respect, what useful purpose does this question serve? take what you want...leave what you don't want
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Re: Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby woodman » Thu Aug 04, 2011 10:58 am

I got as far as "Ben Lowrey" zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Re: Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby jonboy » Thu Aug 04, 2011 12:49 pm

And while we're on the subject, anyone who says the alternative to money is "swapping two loaves of bread for three goldfish, or suchlike, is still thinking like someone who gives things "value". Value is the same as money, an illusion.

Gold is no more valuable than sand.

Just because something is scarce does not give it value.

Without value, there is no hiercarchy. No need to steal or hoard.

In a world without money or value, there would not be a need to swap, barter, haggle, steal, or struggle.

If you want a Ferrari, you get a ferrari. If you need a new roof, you get a new roof. Everyone would be equal. No man could be "richer" than another.

Stealing would be completely pointless, you could not sell your loot. Having two of something would give you no more advantage over anyone. It would be seen as stupidity.
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Re: Does the Idea "Money's an Illusion" serve any practical use?

Postby woodman » Wed Sep 21, 2011 3:04 pm

Ben want's to show how he makes £4k a week and he'll tell you how for £97

Of course Ben does not want you to believe the truth that money is an illusion, he loves money, he allegedly makes £4k a week, and he still wants more money from you.

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