Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby Freedom-Project » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:39 am

Some sages in the freeman/sovereign movement state that the only time one should ever go to court, is if the case has already been won. IE Any pending summons should be pre-emptied and dealt with prior to any hearing dates.

It is also recommended that any paperwork that is submitted should be unique, in the writers own words, rather than templated.
Therefore, I have produced a pre-emptive challenge to the validity of demanding that anyone should surrender to a court for a non 'injured party' claim, and would appreciate any comments there-on: -

It has been said that the blessed living soul; known by a 'Certificate of Live Birth' as: *****: ***** *******, born allegedly on the **th ******** 19** must surrender* himself (*to relinquish possession or control of to another because of demand or compulsion) to ***** Mags Court on **th ********** 20** at **:**hrs.

It is the writer's understanding and belief that; 'all men being equal', the only occasions that one blessed living soul should relinquish possession or control of his/her body to that of another because of a demand or compulsion is either to answer to a claim: 1) where there is an injured party, or: 2) to that of thy maker/creator.

As the demand has not been made by the latter, 'Proof of Claim' is required to confirm that there is 'in fact' an injured party, else; with time being of value, a declination to any invitations to attend any hearings is hereby issued.

As I am not an agent of any government/body, nor work as an employee of any government/body, nor claim any benefits/privileges from any government/body, nor have ever voted to be governed by any government/body, nor are a member of any law society, nor a slave, and was born; like any other blessed living soul, a 'sovereign' and 'free' being with inherent & unalienable natural rights, are therefore bound 'only' by the rule of 'Natural Law' and have the right to live in unhindered peace.



Copies to:
**************** Mags Court
****************** Police
Other interested parties and groups



Receiving Stamp and Date:






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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby pitano1 » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:41 am

this could be seen as controversy
``Any challenges/proofs of claim to be received within 7 days of this 'hand-delivered' issue.``
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which will put you in dishonor.

conditional acceptance. :grin:

more detail of the `offence. :puzz: `so called`may help.

this is worth commiting to memory in a tight spot.. :giggle:
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there is a simple way to avoid being incarcerated for anything outside of COMMON LAW criminal Jurisdiction and that is to quote the European Convention of Human Rights Protocol 4, Article 1 which states “Prohibition of imprisonment for debt – No one shall be deprived of his liberty merely on the ground of inability to fulfil a contractual obligation.”

Any Order issued by an Administrative Court is a contractual obligation and therefore is a debt you owe to the Court, as such if you fully comprehend this and can relay it to the Court in such a way as they comprehend and understand you, in written form, ideally via a sworn statutory declaration prior to any hearing, then any Law abiding Court is not permitted to send you to Prison, whether this be for non payment of a debt, contempt of Court, gagging Order or any other Order that has not been issued before a Jury at trial.

It should be noted that often miscarriages of justice happen, therefore in this scenario, upon any appeal of sentence being currently served then this part of Administrative Law may be cited in any appeal
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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby musashi » Sun Dec 02, 2012 3:35 pm

Ah, Tony. I predict an interesting time for you. Criminal cartel government - controlled & corrupted courts - dumbed-down & suborned police.

I personally like your little notice - and not only because it is mercifully brief - but I rather doubt those at court will feel the same. I currently have a court, two councils, DVLA , an interesting assortment of bailiffs and, as a forthcoming attraction, the police, pursuing my wallet and bank account. They take even less notice now of paperwork than they did several years ago.

I would very much like to help, but what can one say? I have reluctantly, and after a bitterly fought rearguard action, had to accept the fact that all courts are corrupted and out to get us at almost any cost.

All statutes null and void since the queen signed the treaty of Nice and the Barons declared Lawful Rebellion.

This, Lawful Rebellion, is my only defence should they ever get me to answer a summons and go to court. (I put a summons in the bin two years ago and have heard nothing since.) If they do not recognise it as a true and lawful defence, then they will be pursued with charges of constitutional crimes and a void order shall be theirs upon receipt of any conviction.

An affidavit to the queen, a declaration of diffidatio and an oath to the Barons. This is my only defence.

In the matter of the unlawful eviction I think I can help with law and paperwork. But then, you're pretty good at reading the law yourself.

I hope to be up north very soon and have a good talk about recent events.

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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby treeman » Sun Dec 02, 2012 4:42 pm

Charles I, 1640
An Act for [the Regulating the Privie Councell and for taking away the Court commonly called the Star Chamber.
Magna Charta, 9 H. III. c. 29.; 5 E. III. c. 9.; 25 E. III. st. 5. c. 4.; 28 E. III. c. 3.; 42 E. III. c. 3.; 36 E. III. c. 15.; 3 H. VII. c. 1.;21 H. VIII. c. 20.; All Matters examinable in the Star Chamber may be examinable and redressed by the Common Law; Council Table has assumed a Power contrary to Law.; Court of Star Chamber and all its Powers dissolved.
Whereas by the Great Charter many times confirmed in Parliament It is Enacted That no Freeman shall be taken or imprisoned or disseised of his Freehold or Liberties or Free Customes or be Outlawed or exiled or otherwise destroyed and that the King will not passe upon him or condemn him but by lawfull Judgement of his Peers or by the Law of the Land And by another Statute made in the fifth yeare of the Reigne of King Edward the Third It is Enacted That no Man shall be attached by any accusation nor fore judged of Life or [Lim (fn. 2) ] nor his Lands Tenements Goods nor Chattels seised into the Kings hands against the forme of the Great Charter and the Law of the Land And by another Statute made in the five and twentieth yeare of the Reigne of the same King Edward the Third It is accorded assented and established That none shall be taken by petition or suggestion made to the King or to his Councell unlesse it be by Indictment or Presentment of good and lawfull People of the same Neighbourhood where such deeds be done in due manner or by Processe made by Writ Originall at the Common Law and that none be put out of his Franchise or Freehold unlesse he bee duly brought in to answer and forejudged of the same by the course of [the (fn. 3) ] Law and if any thing be done against the same it shall be redressed and holden for none And by another Statute made in the eight and twentieth yeare of the Reigne of the same King Edward the Third It is amongst other things Enacted That no Man of what Estate or condition soever he be shall be put out of his Lands or Tenements nor taken nor imprisoned nor disinherited without being brought in to answer by due Processe of Law And by another Statute made in the two and fourtieth yeare of the Reigne of the said King Edward the Third It is enacted That no Man be put to answer without presentment before Justices or matter of Record or by due Processe and Writ Originall according to the old Law of the Land and if any thing be done to the contrary it shall be void in Law and holden for errour And by another Statute made in the six and thirtieth yeare of the same King Edward the Third It is amongst other things Enacted That all Pleas which shall be pleaded in any Courts before any the Kings Justices or in his other places or before any of his other Ministers or in the Courts and places of any other Lords within the Realm shall be entered and inrolled in Latine And whereas by the Statute made in the third yeare of King Henry the seaventh power is given to the Chancellour the Lord Treasurer of England for the time being and the Keeper of the Kings Privie Seale or two of them calling unto them a Bishop and a Temporall Lord of the Kings most honourable Councell and the two chiefe Justices of the Kings Bench and Common Pleas for the time being or other two Justices in theire absence to proceed as in that Act is expressed for the punishment of some particular offences therein mentioned And by the Statute made in the one and twentieth yeare of King Henry the eighth The President of the Councell is associated to joyne with the Lord Chancellour and other Judges in the said Statute of the third of Henry the seaventh mentioned But the said Judges have not kept themselves to the points limited by the said Statute but have undertaken to punish where no Law doth warrant and to make Decrees for things having no such authoritie and to inflict heavier punishments then by any Law is warranted And forasmuch as all matters examinable or determinable before the said Judges or in the Court commonly called the Star Chamber may have theire proper remedy and redresse and theire due punishment and correction by the Common Law of the Land and in the ordinary course of Justice elsewhere And forasmuch as the reasons and motives inducing the erection and continuance of that Court doe now cease and the Proceedings Censures and Decrees of that Court have by experience beene found to be an intollerable burthen to the subjects and the meanes to introduce an Arbitrary Power and Government And forasmuch as the Councell Table hath of late times assumed unto it selfe a power to intermedle in Civill causes and matters onely of private interest betweene party and party and have adventured to determine of the Estates and Liberties of the subject contrary to the Law of the Land and the Rights and Priviledges of the subject by which great and manifold mischeifes and inconveniencies have arisen and happened and much incertainty by meanes of such proceedings hath beene conceived concerning Mens Rights and Estates For setling whereof and preventing the like in time to come. Be it Ordained and Enacted by the Authority of this present Parliament That the said Court commonly called the Star Chamber and all Jurisdiction Power and Authority belonging unto or exercised in the same Court or by any the Judges Officers or Ministers thereof be from the first day of August in the yeare of our Lord God one thousand six hundred fourty and one cleerely and absolutely dissolved taken away and determined and that from the said first day of August neither the Lord Chancellour or Keeper of the Great Seale of England the Lord Treasurer of England the Keeper of the Kings Privie Seale or President of the Councell nor any Bishop Temporall Lord Privy Councellor or Judge or Justice whatsoever shall have any power or authoritie to heare examine or determine any matter or thing whatsoever in the said Court commonly called the Star Chamber or to make pronounce or deliver any Judgement Sentence Order or Decree or to doe any Judiciall or Ministeriall Act in the said Court And that all and every Act and Acts of Parliament and all and every Article Clause and Sentence in them and every of them by which any Jurisdiction power or authority is given limited or appointed unto the said Court commonly called the Star Chamber or unto all or any the Judges Officers or Ministers thereof or for any proceedings to be had or made in the said Court or for any matter or thing to be drawn into question examined or determined there shall for so much as concerneth the said Court of Star Chamber and the Power and Authoritie thereby given unto it be from the said first day of August repealed and absolutely revoked and made void.
II. Like Jurisdiction in several other Courts repealed and taken away.
No Court or Council to have the like Jurisdiction.
[And be it likewise Enacted That the like Jurisdiction now used and exercised in the Court before the President and Councell in the Marches of Wales and alsoe in the Court before the President and Councell established in the Northern parts And also in the Court commonly called the Court of the Dutchy of Lancaster held before the Chancellor and Councell of the Court And alsoe in the Court of Exchequer of the Countie Palatine of Chester held before the Chamberlaine and Councell of that Court The like Jurisdiction being exercised there shall from the said first day of August one thousand six hundred fourty and one be alsoe repealed and absolutely revoked and made void Any Law prescription custome or Usage Or the said Statute made in the third yeare of King Henry the seventh Or the Statute made the one and twentieth of Henry the eighth Or any Act or Acts of Parliament heretofore had or made to the contrary thereof in any wise notwithstanding And that from henceforth no Court Councell or place of Judicature shall be erected ordained constituted or appointed within this Realme of England or Dominion of Wales which shall have use or exercise the same or the like Jurisdiction as is or hath beene used practised or exercised in the said Court of Star Chamber. (fn. 4) ]
III. The King or his Privy Council shall have no Jurisdiction over any Man's Estate.
Be it likewise declared and Enacted by Authoritie of this present Parliament That neither his Majestie nor his Privie Councell have or ought to have any Jurisdiction power or authority by English Bill Petition Articles Libell or any other arbitrary way whatsoever to examine or drawe into question determine or dispose of the Lands Tenements Hereditaments Goods or Chattels of any the subjects of this Kingdome But that the same ought to be tried and determined in the ordinary Courts of Justice and by the ordinary course of the Law.
IV. Great Officers and others offending;
First Offence, Penalty £500.; Second Offence, Penalty £1000.; Third Offence, Disabled.
And be it further provided and Enacted. That if any Lord Chancellor or Keeper of the Great Seale of England Lord Treasurer Keeper of the Kings Privy Seale President of the Councell Bishop Temporall Lord Privy Councellour Judge or Justice whatsoever shall offend or doe any thing contrary to the purport true intent and meaning of this Law [Then he or they shall for such offence forfeit the sum of five hundred pounds of lawfull Money of England unto any party grieved his Executors or Administrators who shall really prosecute for the same and first obtain Judgement thereupon to be recorded in any Court of Record at Westminster by Action of Debt Bill Plaint or Information wherein no Essoine Protection Wager of Law Aid Prayer Priviledge Injunction or Order of Restraint shall be in any wise prayed granted or allowed nor any more then one Imparlance And if any person against whom any such Judgment or Recovery shall be had as aforesaid shall after such Judgement or Recovery offend againe in the same then he or they for such offence shall forfeit the sum of one thousand pounds of lawfull Money of England unto any party greived his Executors or Administrators who shall really prosecute for the same and first obtain Judgement thereupon to be recorded in any Court of Record at Westminster by Action of Debt Bill Plaint or Information in which no Essoine Protection Wager of Law Aid Prayer Priviledge Injunction or Order of Restraint shall be in any wise prayed granted or allowed nor any more than one Imparlance And if any Person against whom any such second Judgement or Recovery shall be had as aforesaid shall after such Judgement or Recovery offend againe in the same kind (fn. 4) ] and shall be thereof duly convicted by Indictment Information or any other lawfull way or meanes that such Person soe convicted shall be from thenceforth disabled and become by vertue of this Act incapable Ipso fActo to beare his and theire said Office and Offices respectively and shall be likewise disable to make any Gift Grant Conveyance or other disposition of any his Lands Tenements Hereditaments Goods or Chattels or to take any benefit of any Gift Conveyance or Legacy to his owne use.
V. Treble Damages to the Party grieved.
And every person so offending shall likewise forfeit and loose unto the Party grieved by any thing done contrary to the true intent and meaning of this Law his trebble damages which he shall sustain and be put unto by meanes or occasion of any such Act or thing done the same to be recovered in any of His Majesties Courts of Record at Westminster by Action of Debt Bill Plaint or Informac[i]on wherein no Essoine Protection Wager of Law Aid Prayer Priviledge Injunction or Order of Restraint shall be in any wise prayed granted or allowed nor any more then one Imparlance
VI. Every Person committed contrary to this Act shall have an Habeas Corpus for the ordinary Fees.
Cause of Detainer certified by Sheriff, &c. and thereupon Court to proceed.; Default by Judge, &c.; Damages.
And be it alsoe provided and Enacted That if any person shall hereafter be committed restrained of his Libertie or suffer imprisonment [by the Order or Decree of any such Court of Star Chamber or other Court aforesaid now or at any time hereafter having or p[re]tending to have the same or like Jurisdiction power or authoritie to commit or imprison as aforesaid Or by the command or Warrant of the Kings Majestie his Heires or Successors in theire owne Person or by the Command or Warrant of the Councell board or of any of the Lords or others of his Majesties Privy Councell (fn. 4) ] That in every such case every Person so committed restrained of his libertie or suffering imprisonment upon demand or motion made by his Councell or other imployed by him for that purpose unto the Judges of the Court of Kings Bench or Common Pleas in open Court shall without delay upon any pretence whatsoever for the ordinary Fees usually paid for the same have forthwith granted unto him a Writ of Habeas Corpus to be directed generally unto all and every Sheriffs Gaoler Minister Officer or other Person in whose custody the party committed or restrained shall be [and the Sheriffs Gaoler Minister Officer or other p[er]son in whose custody the p[er]ty so committed or restrained shall be (fn. 5) ] shall at the return of the said Writ & according to the command thereof upon due and convenient notice thereof given unto him [at the charge of the party who requireth or procureth such Writ and upon securitie by his owne bond given to pay the charge of carrying back the prisoner if he shall be remanded by the Court to which he shall be brought as in like cases hath beene used such charges of bringing up and carrying backe the prisoner to be alwaies ordered by the Court if any difference shall arise thereabout (fn. 4) ] bring or cause to be brought the body of the said party so committed or restrained unto and before the Judges or Justices of the said Court from whence the same Writ shall issue in open Court and shall then likewise certifie the true cause of such his deteinor or imprisonment and thereupon the Court within Three Court dayes after such return made and delivered in open Court shall proceed to examine and determine whether the cause of such commitment appearing upon the said return be just and legall or not and shall thereupon do what to justice shall appertaine either by delivering bailing or remanding the prisoner And if any thing shall be otherwise wilfully done or omitted to be done by any Judge Justice Officer or other person aforementioned contrary to the direction and true meaning hereof That then such person so offending shall forfeit to the party grieved his trebble damages to be recovered by such meanes and in such manner as is formerly in this Act limited and appointed for the like penaltie to be sued for and recovered
VII. To what Courts this Act shall extend.
[Provided alwaies and be it Enacted That this Act and the severall Clauses therein contained shall be taken and expounded to extend only to the Court of Star Chamber and to the said Courts holden before the President and Councell in the Marches of Wales and before the President and Councell in the Northern parts and alsoe to the Court commonly called the Court of the Dutchy of Lancaster holden before the Chauncellour and Councell of that Court And alsoe in the Court of Exchequer of the County Palatine of Chester held before the Chamberlaine and Councell of that Court And to all Courts of like Jurisdiction to be hereafter erected ordained constituted or appointed as aforesaid And to the Warrants and directions of the Councell board and to the commitments restraints & Imprisonments of any Person or Persons made commanded or awarded by the Kings Majesty his Heires or Successors in theire owne person or by the Lords and others of the Privie Councell and every one of them
VIII. Limitation of Information, &c.
And lastly Provided and be it Enacted That no person or persons shall be sued impleaded molested or troubled for any offence against this present Act unlesse the party supposed to have so offended shall be sued or impleaded for the same within two yeares at the most after such time wherein the said offence shall be committed. (fn. 4) ]
Footnotes
1regulating of O.
2Lymne O.
3interlined on the Roll.
4annexed to the Original Act in a separate Schedule.
5interlined on the Roll.

From: 'Charles I, 1640: An Act for [the Regulating the Privie Councell and for taking away the Court commonly called the Star Chamber.', Statutes of the Realm: volume 5: 1628-80 (1819), pp. 110-112. URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=47221 Date accessed: 17 November 2012.
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To: 'peter.gun@usa.com'
Subject: Act of Parliament abolishing the Star Chamber

Dear Mr Gun, Thank you for your phone call earlier. This is the link I said I would send you - to the full text of the Acts and Ordinances of the Interregnum, passed during the Commonwealth period (1642-1660), under Oliver Cromwell. They were not deemed official Acts of Parliament after the restoration of the monarchy, so no original Act was preserved at Westminster, and they are not on our catalogue.

Instead you can browse and search them all at this website, British History Online.
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/source.aspx?pubid=606

However - the Act you are interested in, which abolished the Star Chamber, actually dates from before the Commonwealth, so in fact it is a proper official Act of Parliament. I have checked and the details as given on our catalogue are as follows: HL/PO/PU/1/1640/16&17C1n10 - Public Act, 16 Charles I, c. 10 - An Act for the regulating of the Privy Council, and for taking away the Court commonly called the Star Chamber. You can read the full text of this Act at British History Online
here: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=47221

I think the reason you couldn't find it is that you had the date 1641 and the date on our catalogue (and on British History Online) is 1640. I suspect the confusion is probably because of Old Style/New Style dating. Before 1752 the year began on 25 March, rather than 1 January. This means Acts passed between January and March 1641 as we understand it today would have been dated at the time as Jan - March 1640. If you can't find an Act then looking at the years either side is often a helpful thing to do. I hope this helps you,

Yours sincerely,

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Fuck the star chambers :peace:
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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby squark » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:05 pm

Thats spooky. Look what I stumbled across last night.

Abolition of the Star Chamber
July 5, 1641
An act for the regulating of the privy council, and for taking away the court commonly called the star-chamber.

from here
http://www.constitution.org/eng/abolition_star_chamber_1641.htm

Syncronicity?

Whatever they choose to do, the Court that is, after all is said and done.........you have this little chestnut
taken from: http://hereford.fmotl.com/MagistratesCourt17OCT2011.htm

Guy ends up quoting Halsbury's Laws of England ("Administrative Law is nothing more than an arrangement between the Executive and the Judiciary. And the Law is absolutely clear on this subject. There is no authority for Administrative Courts in the country, and no Act could be passed to legitimise them") which results in a:

DELICIOUS MOMENT at 6m 40s, when JC says "That's going to cause a few problems, isn't it?"
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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby squark » Sun Dec 02, 2012 6:56 pm

I saw a video title the other day...."Occupy the Rabbit Hole." .....it is a deep hole isn't it.

Look we have a Bank of England, Halsburys Laws of England....but a Parliament of the United Kingdom.

I don't now know where I live! FFS! 43 yrs old and I don't know where I live!
Canada/Turtle Island is under debate, Australia seems to have 2 different parliaments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=umVj5XQYAi8
The united states of America (we the peolpe)versus United States of America (plc)(14th amendment citizens)

So, is the United Kingdom the sales area of the Crown corporation?
I signed on the dole the other week and its true, I really didn't know how to answer the simplest of questions.
"You say you do odd jobs for people. So you have been self employed?" "Well how are you defining EMPLOYED"
"What were you trading as?" "Was I trading?"
"Do you have any assets?" "Well whats an asset and whats a personal effect?"
"Miss, Please, I can tell you I occasionally put up shelves for people, using my drill, the same one I use for my shelves. I don't know what you consider that to be. I can only tell you my truth" I signed it all "...signed" the ... signifies that a condition is implied but not expressed. ie.UNDER DURESS (starvation!)

Maybe you should send a massively long "Notice of Request for Clarification" If they don't respond before court, you want those clarifications in court, under oath.....
"Question to the Crown your honour....OK........I clearly stated i am Squarkety Squark. Your paperwork makes reference to a Mr Squarkety SQUARK and also a Mr SQUARKETY SQUARK. Whats the significance of the title Mr? Is it a Title the Crown claims ownership of? Capitalisation can infer a loss of rights. I do not accept any such status. I fully reserve all of my rights at all times. Is it myself that NAME refers to or some other entity?"

You could use a white board/ flash cards so they get the CAPITALS. Its challenging their presumptions. And PLEASE report back and let me know.
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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby squark » Sun Dec 02, 2012 7:07 pm

Freeeeedom Project You said
It has been said that the blessed living soul; known by a 'Certificate of Live Birth' and 'Corporate Entity' as: ***** ***** *******, born allegedly on the **th ******** 19** must surrender* himself (*to relinquish possession or control of to another because of demand or compulsion) to ***** Mags Court on **th ********** 20** at **:**hrs.

I'm not sure you want to be associated with the "Corporate Entity" at all, maybe beneficiary of the trust known as FREEDOM PROJECT. If you don't know what it is or what it does, its a role you are not trained to do like administrator of a trust, don't tell them thats what you are. If you don't know, tell them the truth, tell them you fear a mistake has been made, that they think you are something you are not. Tell them you believe they hold your share of the common wealth in trust and that that trust is called FREEDOM PROJECT. But you are not FREEDOM PROJECT or anything but a beneficiary.

If that is true for you of course. I know i don't want anything to do with my STRAWMAN and its liabilities until I thoroughly understand what it is all about.
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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby holy vehm » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:58 pm

musashi wrote:I personally like your little notice - and not only because it is mercifully brief


Agreed

musashi wrote: Criminal cartel government - controlled & corrupted courts - dumbed-down & suborned police.


And therein lies the problem.

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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby musashi » Sun Dec 02, 2012 9:36 pm

England is a common law jurisdiction.

Equality under the law is paramount.

Therefore, no-one may sit in judgement of another without the consent of both parties.

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Re: Opinions please to this summons pre-emptive court action

Postby squark » Mon Dec 03, 2012 4:31 am

Heres the American version of the dual systems in USA i mentioned earlier. I goes a bit beyond that too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0Itvml2mgQ
Its is saying you end up at the Vatican, which I have heard before!
here in fact, Frank O'Collins tells you
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JHk9KUFlk2M

I think you will meet Commercial Law, if its Magistrates, they are often drawn from business as business people already have a good knowledge of contract. That is a dynamic way for them to get consent, by what they consider evidence of contract in the court room. Gordon Hall is very good on how to deal with it.
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