SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby strawmansarah » Wed May 05, 2010 11:32 am

Re Freedom of Information request: I am copying this FOI request thread here for comments. Government spooks welcome.....

19 April 2010

Dear HM Revenue & Customs,

Please send me the information that distinguishes the LEGAL AND
FACTUAL DIFFERENCE between INCOME and TAXABLE INCOME for any living
wo/man in the UK?

If you do not hold such information, please tell me who does.

Thank you.

Yours faithfully,



4 May 2010

Dear Ms Goldsmith,

I refer to your request in which you asked for `the information that
distinguishes the LEGAL AND FACTUAL DIFFERENCE between INCOME and TAXABLE
INCOME for any living wo/man in the UK'.

I am answering under the terms of the Freedom of Information Act 2000.
Under section 21 of the Act public authorities are not required to provide
information that is reasonably available to the applicant by other means.
HMRC publishes a lot of information on this broad subject. A useful
starting point is here
[1]http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/incometax/taxable... ; it sets out what
is and is not taxable to income tax. If you want more information on our
interpretation of the law for specific circumstances you may find our
guidance manuals relating to personal taxation useful; they are listed
here [2]http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/thelibrary/manual... .

If you are not happy with this reply you may request a review by writing
to HMRC FOI Team, Room 1C/25, 100 Parliament Street London SWIA 2BQ or by
e-mail to [3][email address] . You must request a review
within 2 months of the date of this letter. It would assist our review if
you set out which aspects of the reply concern you and why you are
dissatisfied.

If you are not content with the outcome of your complaint, you may apply
directly to the Information Commissioner for a decision. Generally, the
Information Commissioner cannot make a decision unless you have exhausted
the complaints procedure provided by HMRC. He can be contacted at The
Information Commissioner's Office, Wycliffe House, Water Lane, Wilmslow,
Cheshire SK9 5AF

John Sharpe

HMRC FOI Policy Team

Central Policy

Room 1C/25

100 Parliament Street

London

SW1A 2BQ

fax 020 7147 0666


4 May 2010

Dear Sharpe, John (CenPOL),

Thank you for your reply, which did not in fact answer anything I
asked. This seems to be par for the course with any de facto
'government' businesses.

All your documentation refers to the legal fiction 'Person' and not
the living wo/man I asked about - hence my FOI request, as I can
find NO documentation that refers to a living human being anywhere.

Please advise accordingly.

Thank you,

Yours sincerely,



5 May 2010

Dear Ms Goldsmith,

Thank you for your e-mail. As it asks for comments I am not treating it
as a request for a review.

If, as I suspect, you are coming at this from the perception, put forward
at some length on the FMOTL website to which you contribute, that there is
a difference between `lawful' and `legal' and `statutory' and that
`person' does not equate with `Living Human Being' then I am afraid that
it will invariably be the case that HMRC will not hold the information
which you appear to be seeking.

For the future if you want to make FOI requests I suggest that you
consider and apply the very helpful guidance published by the Information
Commissioner at this link
[1]http://www.ico.gov.uk/upload/documents/l...

For the record I can confirm that HMRC does not hold recorded information
which specifically refers to `living human' or `living wo/man' (although
within our guidance you will find a definition of taxable person).

I am sorry I cannot be more helpful.

Yours sincerely

John Sharpe

HMRC FOI Policy Team


5 May 2010

Dear Sharpe, John (CenPOL),

Thank you for your reply.

Please would you explain why you (or members of your team) are
snooping into my private affairs and then publishing them publicly
on the whatdotheyknow.com forum?

Is this behaviour in line with the Data Protection Act or the
Information Act to which HM Revenue and Customs subscribes,
perhaps?

Kindly send me the appropriate part of these Acts which have given
you the right to do so...

As I have not mentioned that I use any particular website, please
inform me which Big Brother entity or Organisation of the State is
spending public money 'researching' the actions of a private woman
requestion governmental FOI information?

Incidentally I do NOT sport a Ms, Mrs or any other legal fiction
title.

Yours sincerely,

Sarah: of the Goldsmith Family

As a Public Servant, please have the courtesy in future to address
this living woman appropriately.


http://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/legal_factual_difference_income

Incidentally section 3 of the 'very helpful guidance' John kindly sent me the link to, says regarding FOIA requests: "It does not take into account who is asking for it or why they want it."

Yeah.... right.... :police: :puke:
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby kliff » Wed May 05, 2010 12:12 pm

Your business is your business and they have no right to make reference to it whether true or not.

Totally dishonourable on their part!!!!! :no: :no: :no:
My consent is neither expressed nor implied.
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby strawmansarah » Wed May 05, 2010 12:34 pm

5 May 2010

Dear Sarah: of the Goldsmith Family

Thank you for your e-mail.

The website I mentioned is a public website which I easily found by
`googling' the title you attribute to yourself or, as mentioned on another
request you made via `whatdotheyknow' by you, `court de jure'. As you
can see from my earlier reply, I did this in an attempt to understand the
thrust of your request.

Yours sincerely

John Sharpe


5 May 2010

Dear Sharpe, John (CenPOL),

I repeat:

Please would you explain why you are snooping into my private
affairs and then publishing them publicly
on the whatdotheyknow.com forum?

The information I requested was simply put and needed no
'understanding', nor did your alleged 'understanding' alter the
answer in any way.

Fact is Fact, is it not? Information is Information, is it not?
Snooping is SPYING and publishing my personal informaton is
ILLEGAL, is it not?

Once again I ask: Is this behaviour in line with the Data
Protection Act or the Information Act to which HM Revenue and
Customs subscribes, perhaps?

Kindly send me the appropriate part of these Acts which have given
you the right to do so...

Yours sincerely,

Sarah
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby kliff » Wed May 05, 2010 12:48 pm

strawmansarah wrote:
" The website I mentioned is a public website which I easily found by
`googling' the title you attribute to yourself or, as mentioned on another
request you made via `whatdotheyknow' by you, `court de jure'. As you
can see from my earlier reply, I did this in an attempt to understand the
thrust of your request.

Yours sincerely

John Sharpe


Sooooo, does that mean everytime someone sends them a FOI request the google them? :thinks:

SPYING by any other definition :puke:

Dear John, Please answer the questions. :yawn:
My consent is neither expressed nor implied.
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby Veronica » Wed May 05, 2010 1:05 pm

I do think that to call Postings on FMOTL 'private/personal information' is stretching things just a tad.

On the other hand it is true that 'googling', to try to dig up some 'dirt' on who is making the request, is an utterly disreputable action (but absolutely typical!) and, is - indeed - against THEIR OWN RULES.

The main thing is that John Sharpe just won't answer the question ... and has actually admitted he can't.

It seems to me that he is saying "HMRC can tax a living wo/man, but can't, actually, explain why ... nor can they show any moral or reputable or honourable reason for doing so" And that "It is far more important to HMRC to collect the 'control monies' they demand, so as to fund War Crimes" ... than to worry about little niceties such as "Is it actually Right?".

Bear in mind that - if they wished - they could get as much "money" as they would ever need directly from the Makers: HM Treasury. (But that would mean leaving us all alone, and not controlling us)
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby strawmansarah » Wed May 05, 2010 1:10 pm

:giggle: Oh I dunno.... I think "For the record I can confirm that HMRC does not hold recorded information
which specifically refers to `living human' or `living wo/man' " is a brilliant answer!! :clap: :giggle:

He's messing with the wrong sheeple :sun:
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby strawmansarah » Wed May 05, 2010 1:12 pm

You know you can 'comment', in the form of an annotation on the whatdotheyknow.com thread, for ALL to see... ??? :apple:
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby Veronica » Wed May 05, 2010 1:19 pm

Here's a really good link for John Sharpe:
Bank of England Quarterly Bulletin, 2008
Page 103 (PDF Page 105), bottom left paragraph "Banks create money by writing cheques to themselves" ... which is another way of saying: "This 'money', demanded by HMRC, comes out of thin air"

And explained in this video:

http://www.youtube.com/v/JpId_cSbyXo

(I expect John will think there's some difference between 'money' and 'money'. "Dear John: I make this FoI request. Would you please be so kind as to explain the difference between 'money made by Banks out of thin air ... by writing cheques to themselves' and the 'money HMRC expects to collect''? And why any living, breathing wo/man needs to be involved in this mystical process? Thank you in anticipation.")
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby strawmansarah » Wed May 05, 2010 1:51 pm

5 May 2010

Dear Sarah: of the Goldsmith Family

I have already explained why I looked at your (already) public
information. I considered it was necessary to assist with my reply to your
questions and as such it does not breach the Data Protection Act 1998
(DPA).

If you think HMRC has breached the DPA you may of course ask the
Information Commissioner for an assessment.

Yours sincerely

John Sharpe


5 May 2010

Dear Sharpe, John (CenPOL),

I'm afraid it DOES breach the data protection act. You gave out MY
personal information on a Public site: this one. I didn't say HMRC
had breached the act, I said YOU have!!

Is it accepted practice at HMRC for private individuals to be
'googled' by its agents?

Again, and for the THIRD time, I ask you to provide the specific
parts of both acts that allow for such conduct. Please consider
this a new FOIA request and reset the clock if you so choose.

I will not be fobbed off with the usual nonsense, let's try
INFORMATION and TRUTH for a start. How's that for a novel approach
to FOIA requests?

Yours sincerely,

Sarah
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Re: SPYING by THE SPOOK known as John Sharp, HM Customs etc

Postby Veronica » Wed May 05, 2010 2:38 pm

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