Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby geebee » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:18 pm

Veronica wrote:
geebee wrote:I pay for what I use to the people who have to provide the infrastructure to provide it.

And where did they get those materials from? In order to build those infrastructures? And why, precisely, was it necessary to introduce 'money which has no value' into the equation?


They buy the materials from others and pay people to work for them. Common sense. Money just prevents them having to pay their workers in batteries or jugs of Unleaded.

Why aren't you all on solar power if you want electricity and don't want to pay?
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby Veronica » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:20 pm

geebee wrote:They buy the materials from others ...

And where do those 'others' get the materials from?
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby geebee » Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:24 pm

Veronica wrote:
geebee wrote:They buy the materials from others ...

And where do those 'others' get the materials from?


Well, lets take copper. They buy some land they think might have copper on it. You could do this if you wanted.

Then they take a gamble and dig for it. If they find it they pour a lot of resources into converting it into miles of wire. Takes thousands of specialists.

Those specialists aren't going to do that work in a barter economy. So, no more wire. No more electricity. Even solar needs wire. Miles of it.
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby Veronica » Sat Mar 21, 2009 6:17 pm

Is that a roundabout way of saying "It is TAKEN from the ground"?

Oh, by the way:

Who do they 'buy the land from'?

And who had any 'right' to that land in the first place, without just TAKING it?

And what did these 'copper producers' 'buy' this land with, if 'money has LESS value than shirt buttons'?
(cf HM Treasury)
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby woodman » Sat Mar 21, 2009 7:57 pm

geebee wrote:I pay for what I use to the people who have to provide the infrastructure to provide it.


Then in fairness should you not just be paying for the upkeep and maintenance of the said infrastructure and not for what you use?

For example, water, the actual product falls from the sky. So we should not pay based on the amount we use, because water is free. The yearly amount of the costs of upkeep and maintenance should be shared between all AND the company who provides this should be publicly owned not privately owned. Profiteering from giving people something which is a basic human right is, I'm sure you agree, corrupt.

Do you pay for the amount of power you use from your solar panel, or have you just paid for the equipment (infrastructure)?
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby Veronica » Fri May 01, 2009 2:23 pm

I was reminded that it is now 3 months since this was first posted by receipt of my latest bill. I have been pondering on what to do about it in the last few days.

I've decided to continue, based on the information we've accumulated in between times. Since HM Treasury have avoided my direct questioning, I decided to once again attempt to put them on the spot. (Those of you who have been following all the sagas will understand what's happening here):

Friday, 1st May 2009.

Information Rights Unit,
HM Treasury,
1 Horse Guards Road,
London, SW1A 2HQ

FAO: Paul: of the Morran family

Dear Paul,

Please find enclosed a Remittance Slip made out to cover a charge from Southern Electricity. As I am sure you are aware, a 'remittance' conveys a sum of the worthless fiat currency between one party and another, in the form of a pure paper exercise.

Please pass this slip to whoever deals with these paper exercises within HM Treasury. I would be most grateful to receive the details as to whosoever is that person, or department - so that I do not need to bother you again with such things. If there is anything wrong with the way the remittance is made out, then kindly ask them to send me details of the correct procedure for the paper exercise.

With regard to your kind response to Simon: of the Elder Family, (23rd April, 2009 Ref: 9/) I note you quote someone called Paul: of the Tucker family as saying "That is, banks extend credit by creating money". I find this difficult to understand on a number of counts:

1. What, then, is the fundamental job of HM Treasury?

2. Why do banks fail if they can simply "extend credit by creating money"?

3. Why did they need a recent 'bailout'? And where did it come from, then?

4. And why should banks be in the position of demanding bailouts, over an above the Rights of ordinary people?

Set against these questions, the statements of Paul: Tucker do not seem to make any sense to a logical and reasonable person, which is something I (rightly or wrongly) lay claim to being. (And that's just a very cursory scrutiny of what he said)

Yours sincerely,

Veronica: of the Chapman family.
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby IamallthatIam » Sat May 02, 2009 10:22 pm

Veronica wrote:Well ... at least they didn't go broke, apparently.

Actually you remind me slightly of my younger son. During his time at the local Comprehensive, someone was going around with a screwdriver, and taking the screws out of the doorknobs. Also lifting the pulling chains off their fulcrums in the toilet cisterns.

Apparently the Headmaster was furious about all this, and went into tirades during Assembly.

(My son reckons he got away with it only because he didn't tell ANYONE else, and didn't brag about it)

Had I known about this at the time I would - of course - have killed him. At the age of 35, it's a bit too late to smack him now.


I am just re-reading old threads - I am about to upset my electricity company - yay, the bill has topped five grand now lol - and i thought i`d pass this little snippet onto your son, just in case he feels the needs to pass it on.

Years ago my dad used to work for a company that used to fill fire extinguishers. He had these huge white tablets that sat inside the top section of the extinguisher, they were held there until the pin was released which allowed the tablets to drop into the liquid below. On contact the foam was produced in abundance. Now, if you happen to get your hands on a box of these tablets they can come in very handy , especially when you start talking about fulcrums on toilet cisterns. If you balance two or more tablets on the end of a fulcrum, they stay there quiet nicely until the chain is pulled. Did you know that two tablets balanced on the fulcrums of six cisterns in six separate cubicles provides enough foam to completely fill the room from floor to ceiling? Don't believe me? You could have asked my Deputy Head, at the time , Mr Harrington , he'd tell you ! He yelled it at the rest of the school enough times !!!!!
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby BaldBeardyDude » Sun May 03, 2009 9:15 am

My Junior school headmaster called my father in on the last day of my 'sentence', befor I left for comp - he told Dad 'Your son is the only child who has ever left any of my schools completely unchanged!' - My father was rather proud, I think. :mrgreen:

I really was a little bugger! Long live the rebels :cheer:

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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby Veronica » Sun May 03, 2009 5:59 pm

IamallthatIam wrote:Did you know that two tablets balanced on the fulcrums of six cisterns in six separate cubicles provides enough foam to completely fill the room from floor to ceiling?

I didn't know that. (But now I do)
IamallthatIam wrote:Don't believe me?

Yes ... yes ... yes ... I do!!!!

I think you should have got top marks for your experiment! The resulting data was very useful.

You obviously left school 'unchanged'. I think I did as well (I'm glad to say).

The reason why my son admitted what he did, was because I told him what I did at University. We had a communal kitchen in the dorms, and the cleaners were always complaining about or kitchen. (Possibly the pancake stuck to the ceiling had something to do with it. Wasn't me ... I was good!). Anyway they decided to close our kitchen. So, the night before the closure, I took the door off. We manhandled it upstairs and laid it on top of the water tank. We then took off the keyhole surround and hung it on a thread about where it would normally be in the doorway. We put up a notice saying "Please do not slam the keyhole. Thank you". It took them about 6 months to find that door. They looked everywhere (well, everywhere except where it was). I was asked, by the woman in charge, to let her know if I heard anything. I said I would. But no-one ever mentioned it again, so there was nothing to tell her.
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Re: Case: Veronica's Electricity Bill

Postby HappyCat » Sun May 10, 2009 1:34 am

woodman wrote:[b]"IJ - Ah great, can you confirm the first line of your address? (You can respond here by asking if they would confirm their address first)
Mr Woodman - Ok, tell me what you think it is, and if you are correct I will confirm so.
IJ - No, could you tell me what your address is, for security reasons?
Mr Woodman - I cannot tell you my address, for my security reasons.
IJ - We cannot procede without this information.
Mr Woodman - Ok, I agree we cannot, Nice talking to you, Goodbye.

:D


:rotfl: Did this with capital 1 without even realising what I was doing! It worked, they stopped calling. :giggle:
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