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Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:31 pm
by Jeurrn
well if i steamed it.. ;) it might have turned out to be a collection order and now they want £120 from me and there is a big form to fill in on the second sheet.. interesting.

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:31 pm
by huntingross
Jeurrn had pm'd me on this subject, but as the thread is progressing with his input, I shall post the pertinent part of my reply here

You could send the letter back un-opened with the NO CONTRACT R4C details on the front and send your letter again this time 'recorded delivery' and start the process that way.

I don't know if you have enough paper work so far to move it forward, but if you have sent notices asking for proof and none has been forthcoming then you can produce a notice that states "We are in agreement that xyz are a matter of fact etc etc...." due to the fact that they have not responded sufficiently or within the prescribed time limit.

You could call this an Notice of Dishonour and Opportunity to Cure but disregard mentioning their latest envelope with mysterious contents and make it clear that failure to prove their claims will result in a claim for commercial injury by your ALL CAPS NAME.

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 12:32 pm
by huntingross
Good job you didn't steam it open then.....phew !

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 1:48 pm
by Jeurrn
Just I was thinking 'Notice of registration of fixed penalty and collection order' - why do they need to register it because they know i didn't sign it so need me to 'recognize' the notice? because they need that to progress.

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:19 pm
by treeman
When i posted steaming, what i obviously meant was, you return the presentment to the original sender refusing there right to contract with you, because you have the right to refuse. This includes any mail, bills, debt collection agencies, notices, fines and whatever you see fit,and write in big bold red letters "NO CONTRACT. REFUSAL FOR CAUSE." Hope this clarifies any misunderstanding and controversy.

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:55 pm
by Jeurrn
Feel like i'm hitting a hornets nest doing that though it seems to make sense.

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 6:02 pm
by Phil: C
free_spirit wrote:If you look at my ticket on page three you'll see "NO CONTRACT" is included in the body of words of the refusal for cause.

Oops, sorry fs, being lazy as usual :grin:

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Sat Jan 09, 2010 7:10 pm
by Jeurrn
".. is included in the body of words of the refusal for cause."

so on the actual doc.

that's what i did to their letter in response to my counterclaim to the FPN. and sent back rec delivery.

didn't work. as there is now this stinky 'Notice of registration of fpn ..etc.'

so is it still best across the doc and across each page if there are multiple? I would think.

cheers!

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 12:34 pm
by free_spirit
Update:

Yesterday I got what I assume to be a Notice to Owner, I deduce this as the constabulary
name and return address was on the fron along with the words "LEGAL DOCUMENT".

I didn't even open it, I refused it for cause on the outside and immediately went to the post office
to return it by recorded mail.

If they send ,me any more unsolicited offers I will start charging admin handling fees.

Re: R4C - Refusal for Cause

PostPosted: Fri Jan 15, 2010 5:30 pm
by huntingross
Question FS

If you're not opening the envelope and writing upon it....why are you sending it recorded delivery ? Why not drop it in the nearest letter box.