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North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 2:11 am
by Farmer
I first heard of these people a few years ago. What they have managed to do is get the original pre 1868 state of North Carolina functioning again with a governor and governmental institutions. Citizens of this state have also had all the taxes that have paid given back to them by the IRS. They drive with their own state car registration plates, not because they have to, but so that the police do not even bother stopping them. This state runs in parallel with the corporate state, and the US government and the corporate state government know of their existence and legal grounding. It is quite amazing what happened in 1868.

They have after many years of court cases which they have all won, written a book as to how people in the other states can do the same. Their website is very interesting. The other interesting thing is that all the original laws of that state apply now, but none of the corporate state, or US federal laws. So, for the crime of rape, the sentence is death by hanging. What they have done is no joke.

http://www.ncrepublic.org

I think that maybe something could be learnt from this because the US was meant to be a union of sovereign states (countries). What happened is not so far removed from what is happening wih tBritain and the EU.

Re: North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 6:17 am
by huntingross
Its powerful stuff Farmer.

I especially like the bit where :

Whereas Allegiance and Protection are in their Nature reciprocal and the one should of Right be refused, when the other is withdrawn


Makes me think of Woodys current situation.

Re: North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Fri May 29, 2009 8:09 am
by Veronica
That's an excellent bit of research!

Thanks for that, Farmer.

Re: North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:20 pm
by love&light
i have been a citizen of north carolina since 1989 and i can assure you that i do not get all of my taxes back. yes, we do get a small refund for over payment if due, but that is all. police do stop us. we have to have an up to date legal liscence plate.

Re: North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 3:36 pm
by Farmer
love&light wrote:i have been a citizen of north carolina since 1989 and i can assure you that i do not get all of my taxes back. yes, we do get a small refund for over payment if due, but that is all. police do stop us. we have to have an up to date legal liscence plate.


I don't think you actually understand what this thread is about. There are two North Carolina states, the post 1865, and the pre 1865. Both run in parallel.

Re: North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:26 pm
by OneManAndHisDog
Farmer wrote:
love&light wrote:i have been a citizen of north carolina since 1989 and i can assure you that i do not get all of my taxes back. yes, we do get a small refund for over payment if due, but that is all. police do stop us. we have to have an up to date legal liscence plate.


I don't think you actually understand what this thread is about. There are two North Carolina states, the post 1865, and the pre 1865. Both run in parallel.

Yup. To be specific, each State is constituted in Trust by the people (the sovereigns), just as the United States of America is constituted in Trust by the People. Each one a separate Body with separate laws therein / thereunder that applies to each of its subjects - i.e. those that stand in a general or specific created role or office.

See here: www.fmotl.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4304#p40106

Each State is a country in International Law and the Family of Nations, and is foreign with respect to the created Body known as the United States in the District of Columbia, even though the States are also constitutors to the Constitution for the United States of America under which the United States is formed.

Within each State, starting from about the time after the Civil War, a corporation is formed and is limited by the sovereign law of the state. It is that incorporated Body that runs in the name of the State, and not the State directly, that is in cooperation with the incorporated United States in the District of Columbia and the Federal Reserve to use its currency as a privilege.

A "taxpayer" is role that is one who uses the services of the Federal Reserve Corporation in the District of Columbia, and is also a member of the municipal corporation incorporated in the State or a member of the municipal corporation incorporated in the District of Columbia.

To achieve this, it is the reason why all new credit created by the Federal Reserve Corporation is loaned out. So that the Federal Reserve, as a Body and a Trust, hold true legal title to credit, whilst the borrower only receives an equitable title to "use" the notes so long as he or she uses it according to the Trust - the Federal Reserve Corporation as administered by the United States by the U.S. Code and UCC.

When the initial borrower of the Fed Res Notes passes this on to an employee, he only has equitable title in the first place, so can only ever pass on equitable title. Anyone who ever has a Federal Reserve Note therefore only ever has equitable title to it, and as it has no value at common law (redeemability was removed in 1933 when the United States went bankrupt along with all offices and corporations thereunder) all contracts settled in this fiat note are under the colour of law and so they attain jurisdiction as you are settling the contract with this third party service.

As such, it is already an obligation to pay Corporate Tax (Income Tax), and use of the note is a granted privilege. A potential lien exists on each one of the notes on the equitable user / holder so that he correctly uses the notes and accounts for charges according to the U.S. Code and UCC.

The service on the notes also extends to export to which different laws are enforced by a Body (the United States) on behalf of the issuer (the Federal Reserve).

North Carolina also recognizes that "the People" are the creators implying that they are the sovereigns over the State...
We, the people of the State of North Carolina, grateful to Almighty God, the Sovereign Ruler of Nations, for the preservation of the American Union and the existence of our civil, political and religious liberties, and acknowledging our dependence upon Him for the continuance of those blessings to us and our posterity, do, for the more certain security thereof and for the better government of this State, ordain and establish this Constitution.

...and is more explicitly given here the the people are the sovereigns...
Sec. 2. Sovereignty of the people.

All political power is vested in and derived from the people; all government of right originates from the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole.

...whereby this document confirmed the existence and the Republic (the original jurisdiction state) and limits it and its agents thereof that act in its name.

o Preamble to the Constitution of North Carolina
o The Constitution of North Carolina

You may have standing as one, both or neither a "citizen of North Carolina" and a "citizen of the United States" depending on the subject matter at hand.

You may stand as "one of the People" (a sovereign) for some issues, and a "citizen of North Carolina" for other subject matters.

If you stand as "one of the People", use gold, silver, copper or something of substance as consideration to contracts, or notes redeemable in something of substance (to which you have full claim to the thing of substance, i.e. full legal title if it has previously been traded), then the U.S. Code and UCC have no applicability and a challenge to jurisdiction, if they claim "authority" of their positive Law over you, would succeed and the case would be dismissed.
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Re: North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Mon Feb 01, 2010 4:54 pm
by OneManAndHisDog
love&light wrote:i have been a citizen of north carolina since 1989 and i can assure you that i do not get all of my taxes back. yes, we do get a small refund for over payment if due, but that is all. police do stop us. we have to have an up to date legal liscence plate.

Standing as a "citizen of North Carolina" has certain duties and allegiance under North Carolina, whereas standing free and sovereign as "one of the people" (a real flesh & blood human being and a Creator of the fiction known as the State) of North Carolina has no such duties or obligations implied.

A "citizen of North Carolina" has obligations under North Carolina's statutory Acts, and now being incorporated to handle the business affairs of the state, also has the obligation to settle "charges" to accounts according to the UCC (when using commercial instruments) and the U.S. Code of the United States to which the municipal corporation in the State is in partnership with, and according to all the respective Rules and Regulations of those jurisdictions.

Commercial instruments include the Federal Reserve Note and any instrument in commerce or any kind of accounted credit (even if only on paper or electronic) as issued by an entity under the Federal Reserve System.

Re: North-Carolina American Republic

PostPosted: Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:26 pm
by love&light
thank you for clearing that up for me.