Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby azad » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:13 am

Why is UK government a CORPORATION? What is the proof of that?

These questions have been bugging me for a quite some time, and in order to get some answers, I have discussed the issue to some extend with Veronica, students at University of commerce and my American friends.

Freeman / Straw man call UK government (or any other government by that virtue) a legal fictive entity, using the term they want to pinpoint the adverse and contrast nature of it to real entities namely humans. However if this is a trivial matter, why call it CORPORATION? After all, the word corporation has its own academic criteria and history. If a person calls UK Government a non-real entity regardless of it being a corporation or not, then the course of discussion would be different. Why?

Within the realm of philosophy, one talks about perceptual and conceptual reality. The physicists and materialists see the distinction between empirical and rationalized reality. In the nutshell we are talking abut SOCIAL CONSTRUCTIVISM, and this methodology is applicable to every aspect and phenomena of our daily life. Everything that we do is social construct even COMMON LAW.

I have started this new thread hoping to shed light on the subject and surely welcome any academic input.

What is a CORPORATION?

1. In her book and at the pages 22-23, Veronica discusses mostly why the legal entity called corporation has been given the status legal PERSON, as apparently it is not a real breathing person. This is by far not a definition rather a characterization.
At pages 42-44, she refers to Dun & Bradstreet catalogue to show that UK Government is a corporation. Is this really a proof!? After all Dun & Bradstreet is a databank. Some source feeds particular information and a clerk at the company sorts out that information according to criteria and directive given by the management. It is not even legally binding in any court! I think this is a cheap attempt to establish a fact.

2. According to Wikipedia:
“A corporation is a legal entity separate from the persons who own it. In British tradition it is the term designating a body corporate, where it can be either a corporation sole (an office held by an individual natural person, which is a legal entity separate from that person) or a corporation aggregate (involving more persons). In American and, increasingly, international usage, the term denotes a body corporate formed to conduct business.”

By virtue of this definition, Corporation just means an entity that is a LEGAL CONSTRUCT, not necessarily a business. PROFIT or NON-PROFIT nature of a CORPORATION does not have any bearing on its legal status and construction.

3. According to: http://nonprofit.about.com/od/nonprofitbasics/qt/corpbasics.htm

A corporation is a separate legal entity. As such it allows a group of people to pool their energy, time, and money for profit or non-profit activities. The corporation comes into legal existence when its founders comply with their state's incorporation process.
A corporation is treated by the law as a separate "person," distinct from the people who own or manage it. The corporation can enter into contracts, incur debts, and pay taxes. Corporations can be set up as for-profit purposes or for non-profit purposes.

What is the difference between a for-profit and a nonprofits corporation?
A business corporation can be set up for any legal purpose. I can issue stock to investors in return for money or property, or services performed. Shareholders receive a return on their investment should dividends be paid. When the corporation is dissolved, its assets are divided among the shareholders after all creditors are paid.
A non-profit corporation cannot issue shares of stock or pay dividends (there are some exceptions depending on what type of non-profit it is). Nonprofits cannot pay dividends or profits to their members or other individuals. When a non-profit goes out of business, it must distribute all remaining assets to another tax-exempt non-profit group.

Of course an interesting question would be how a Government could declare bankruptcy?

Many years ago, I watched a very interesting movie named “All the President's Men”, where the source “Deep throat” says to journalists to follow the money in order to find out the truth!
The same line of reasoning goes for this discussion. Veronica wrote:

Evidence of the UK CORPORATION is as hard to come by as getting HM Treasury admits to their part in creating money.

If these two admissions are made, then the whole House of Cards comes tumbling down. Do you think they would be made lightly?

In 1944 an MP tried to extract this admission. See the Appendix in my book. He was treated with supercilious sarcasm, etc ... but managed to extract some very useful stuff which is now in Hansard. It's all in my book.


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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby Hooplescat » Thu Jul 30, 2009 9:20 am

OK - but what are the ramifications and consequences of the UK being a corporation? Why should I care?

(This is NOT a facaetious question!)
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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby The Freeman-on-the-Land known as Michael » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:01 am

Why is UK government a CORPORATION? What is the proof of that?


in the wake of the Gold Standard Amendment Act in 1931, the new Chancellor, Lord Snowden, made a clear distinction between His Majesty's Government and the newly-formed National Government, which was formed when the debts "arranged by His Majesty's government" and the Bank of England could not be repaid.

There was much criticism abroad of our Budget, our expenditure upon unemployment, our adverse balance of trade; these were all seized upon and exaggerated. To meet that situation the Bank of England about the beginning of August raised a very large credit, no less than £50,000,000, from the American and French central banks to meet the withdrawals, but within a couple of weeks these resources were practically exhausted. At that stage the National Government came into being, and the plans which we announced for balancing the Budget had the immediate effect of restoring confidence. For some days the stream of withdrawals fell sharply, and we hoped that it might dry up. Unfortunately, however, we could not present a united front.

a letter from the Bank of England, which Snowden quoted in the speech:

I am directed to state that the credits for $125,000,000 and francs 3,100,000,000, arranged by the Bank of England in New York and Paris respectively, are exhausted, and that the credit for $200,000,000 arranged in New York by His Majesty’s Government, together with credits for a total of francs 5 milliards negotiated in Paris, are practically exhausted also. The heavy demands for exchange on New York and Paris still continue. In addition, the Bank are being subjected to a drain of gold for Holland. Under these circumstances, the Bank consider that, having regard to the above commitments and to contingencies that may arise, it would be impossible for them to meet the demands for gold with which they would be faced on withdrawal of support from the New York and Paris exchanges. The Bank therefore feel it their duty to represent that in their opinion, it is expedient in the national interest that they should be relieved of their obligation to sell gold under the provisions of Section (1) Sub-section (2) of the Gold Standard Act, 1925.


http://freetheplanet.net/articles/119/chancellor-s-commons-speech-21-september-1931

Of course an interesting question would be how a Government could declare bankruptcy?


pursuant to the index of the Bankruptcy Act 1869, which can be accessed in the sidebar at http://www.freetheplanet.net, both Houses of Parliament, as well as the honourable members, were made subject to bankruptcy and insolvency laws. the Crown, on the other hand, are not only indemnified against bankruptcy, the money that insolvents owe to it are not discharged in bankrupty.

it is my considered and widely researched opinion that the National Government was a corporate entity created to house the debts of the Crown, one it had merged its interests with the Bank of England. When it proved to be a self-evident truth that there was no way of continuing repayments, the Bank was relived of its obligations to redeem paper for gold and a fiat currency, backed by nothing except government securities (the future sweat equity of the people), was duly implemented.
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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby Highspirit » Thu Jul 30, 2009 10:28 am

WOW, I started a real long answer to this but then thought, sod it, all the answers to this are already on this forum for those who want to read it.

There is far more evidence than just DnB to show the UK as a Corporation and for those who couldn't care less if it is should think about the consequences of a Corporatocracy society which we have rather than a true 'Democracy' which dissappeared many years ago. Besides which any government are purely puppets of the real people in power anyway.

Yes, although actual evidence is difficult to find I think the circumstancial evidence of the UK being in Bankruptcy is quite damming. This evidence would include the 'Fiat' currency/ Monetary system that we have that since Gold was removed from society back in the 1930's when 'Promissory Notes' became 'LEGAL TENDER' not 'Lawful Tender'. The 1930's is quite significant especially if you read 'The Beast of Jekyl Island' which is more circumstancial evidence.

A Natural Man/Human Being with a living soul is 'Soveriegn' and subject to Soveriegn Law (Common Law). Corporations have 'Company Policy' which is enforced by Policy Officers and Courts de Facto. UK Company Policies are called Statutes which Policy Officers try to enforce on Soveriegns by way of contract. Governments had to invent something to make a soveriegn below them because governments were created by Natural Man so therefore should serve Natural Man who can easily un-create them. Therefore they created the 'Person' which they control and own. They just need us through their deceptions to accept we are a 'Person'.

There is ample info on this forum that covers Fleet Law, UCC etc which is being used to further enslave Natural Man/Woman.

Anyway, going on too long here, all the points can be found throught the forum. :sun:
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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby Hooplescat » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:26 am

So is that the problem/consequence - the fact that we in fact have no democracy? Hmmmmm

I guess I have never believed we have democracy anyway, and there has been no attempt to hide it - we spend time money etc voting for this crooked git or that criminal bastard, put them all in a house of debate, and then say that it all means shit all anyway because anything they do has to be ratified or can be quashed by a bunch of out of touch, money driven corporate men in the house of lords, who nobody even pretends are there by the will of the people...This country has never been a democracy as far as I am concerned...

Out of interest, do any countries have true democracy?
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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby BaldBeardyDude » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:47 am

One of the 'smoking guns' is the Bankruptcy act itself. It allows discharge of debt after 70 years and was introduced/passed in 1869. All fact, all on record (Hansard)

Consider that 70 years after 1869 comes 1939 and the debts which would have been dischraged are not. Indeed, they are multiplied by the 'unavoidable' war with Nazi Germany, where the debts of our nation grew considerably, putting us in a long term debt with the US due to lend/lease.

Coincidentally (duh), 70 years after 1939 comes THIS year and our great financial dabacle - another, more massive debt is put on our necks like a yoke.

I do not have any education in economics, therefore I am not qualified to speak of boom and bust, fiscal policy, etc.

But I do know basic mathematics and I have the nous to realise there is something far wrong here.

The old addage holds true - qui bono - follow the money and we come to several names which crop up with alarming regularity, they are:

ROTHSCHILD, ROCKEFELLER, MORGAN-STANLEY, DUPONT, ASTER, GOLDMAN-SACHS. The list goes on, but these are some of the top tier of those, I believe, are responsible for this state of affairs. These names, plus their lackey politicians, who would rather beggar a nation, enslave it's people to a financial elite, by the burden of these debts are the culprits - cowards all. The resultant increasing burden of taxation is easily explained when one looks at this properly.

Hoops - so what? Erudite answer, my friend. You like paying ever-increasing taxation rates? This is the result of the manipulation at the highest levels, m8. You enforce SOME of the policies designed to pay off this convenient debt. You are a part of this but - unlike us - you are playing on both sides, without being aware of it. They screw tax out of you while using you to screw the rest of us, too!

Not a dig, Hoops, but a simple statement of fact.

All of the above is easily proved by anyone who can read Hansard, history books and has a rudimentary brain like mine. If I can see it, why can't others?

Because the overall scheme is so breathtakingly huge and complex and the people involved above reproach (apparently), most do not see it. If you picked up an ant and then replaced it whence it came, could the ant explain the enormity of the beast it had just encountered to it's fellows?

These economic shennanigans added to the social and legal 'work' done by ever more willing and desperate lackey politicians, business leaders and the like, is the reason we are in this mess now and the reason Hoops and his colleagues have lost all respect from even their previously, most ardent supporters. We are in a pressure cooker of the elites making and they are screwing down the lid ever more tightly with their new, ridiculous laws, determined to cause the inevitable backlash, giving them the excuse they need to complete the task set for them centuries earlier.

This too is well documented - the Rothroyals are, as a group, the most intelligent family this planet has probably seen. Not individually, but as a collective, for this is how they still work today. Each generation having faithfully documented and taught the next the secrets of manipulation of financial markets and currencies, commodities, etc. Multigenerational plans are still in operation and still get the desired effect, enabling further expansion of the empire which is House Rothschild.

Until more people can see this, we are doomed to carry on in our ever decreasing spiral of debt, poverty, war and starvation.

Who cares indeed.
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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby Hooplescat » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:50 am

Hey Pete

I wasn't saying 'so what?'...being economically challenged as I am, I was genuinely asking what the play out is and how it manifests to ordinary joes like you and and I...
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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby The Freeman-on-the-Land known as Michael » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:51 am

democracy is merely an illusion of freedom; it is really mob-rule in disguise, when 51% of the electorate can vote for the other 49% to be exterminated, if that is the corporate policy of the day.

govern-ment is really about controlling the minds of the people by perpetuating their ignorance and fear, while instilling a false belief that we should rely on it to provide us with what they tell us we need.

self-determination and mutual co-operation are the keys which will unlock the gates to the Age of Freedom and Peace.

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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby The Freeman-on-the-Land known as Michael » Thu Jul 30, 2009 11:59 am

there is evidence to suggest (the Cunliffe and the Macmillan Reports) that Britain was considered a Creditor Nation until 1931. while the Bankruptcy Act 1869 set the foundations for the national bankruptcy, i contend that is did not actually happen until 1931. than banksters always lay their plans many years in advance of public implementation.

http://freetheplanet.net/articles/106/interim-report-of-the-cunliffe-committee-1918
http://freetheplanet.net/articles/120/macmillan-committee-report-1931
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Re: Why is UK government a CORPORATION? Proof?

Postby Highspirit » Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:14 pm

Mighty fine words Baldy and right to the point with evidence. Evidence that those who are asleep are still blind to.

All this taxation and Statutory Laws with fines together with everything else are designed to wipe out the middle class completely and all done in a subtle way so as not to wake the sleeple to what is really going on. Like making them believe in Global Warming and having to pay extra taxes in order to live a certain way. Ridiculous.

When will people realise that the global elite control and manipulate EVERYTHING. Bloody recessions and booms being a natural cycle, BOLLOX. they are deliberatley planned to achieve and further the agenda.

I also canot believe that the sleeple still fall for the 'Loan Frauds'. It's simple, you sign a piece of paper called an application for the loan (beg). Your loan is agreed after your ability to repay has been checked. Your signature then has value to the size of the loan, lets say £100k (mortgage). It is a Promissory Note (to repay the £100k). The bank without endorsing their signature on the piece of paper (Fraud) then add that 'negotiable or financial instrument' as value to their bookkeeping. That means they have a piece of paper worth £100k. The very same value is then lent back to the applicant becuase the bank has to balance out it's books to show £100k in and then £100k out. Money from thin air that has been raised by the signature on the piece of paper just like a cheque. In other words, they are giving you your money that you created from your signature that never otherwise exsisted and then you have to repay it with interest. How fkin crazy is that. Its a HUGE FRAUD. Hoops, get on to it mate.

What is really going on is socialism and as we are about to witness very soon, de-population by war, food shortgages and vaccines. But, the sleeple will not realise this until they are lined up for the 'safety camp' and they then smell the blood of the 'person' in front of them as they are culled. It's too late then though.


Yes Michael, I tend to agree with you about the Bankruptcy.
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