Order to pay PCN after Freeman defence and DVLA

[holmfirthbobble]

Hi
I wonder if anyone can help please. I got a PCN thro/speeding and did 2 ok freeman defences at Tameside Magistrates Crt ie. avoided name,refused to contract, persued judge's oath etc - in end they've sent an order thro (6 pts/£300!). I've replied `as judge not on oath, I'm not lawfully obliged to accept it'. Also, got DVLA asking for licence for points to go on.I sent them a letter explaining that the judge was not on his oath and as such order not valid. Also suggested I can issue a commercial lien if they continue.

I'm expecting the Courts to continue with the order - possibly farming out the order/debt/fine to an `agency' and also worry about the DVLA cancelling my licence.And knock on for car insurance. (Hey, I know a true freeman would plough on and set up with no licence/insurance etc etc but I'm a novice,running out of time).

Any help realy really appreciated. Have read Mary: Croft (brilliant) and also Veronica:Chapman's excellent book but have not used blogs before and am struggling with direction.
Thanks in advance.
Cheers
Bob/Holmfirth

[jonboy]

Sounds like you are taking the bull by the horns mate, good effort.

Well I certainly wouldn't pay the fine, the points on your fictional licence don't really matter, who cares? They are your strawman's points not yours. You dont have to tell your insurance anyway, I didn't.

As with the fine I'd just keep refusing for cause any documents they send.

[holmfirthbobble]

Sounds like you are taking the bull by the horns mate, good effort.

Well I certainly wouldn't pay the fine, the points on your fictional licence don't really matter, who cares? They are your strawman's points not yours. You dont have to tell your insurance anyway, I didn't.

As with the fine I'd just keep refusing for cause any documents they send.

Thanks mate for reply,appreciated. Don't want to sound precious but I'm not ready to jump off fully in to Freeman land (as much as I'd like to) and walk away from all contracts, and I use my car/licence every day as a rep. I just fret that they will escalate and pass the fine/debt on to ill trained ape and then it could start getting proper heavy.Also, as I understand it, (and I know I mean in legalese land), I would have to declare any points they put on (if it comes to that). And/or they could cancel my licence/DVLA.
I'd love to say fuck em and walk away and all that but as well as (Fu*%ing) work I'm the only driver and we have to go to kids hospital often.
I need to look up `refusing for cause'!!
Thanks again
Bob

[jonboy]

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[MrFrodo]

Hi Holmfirthbobble,

There is remedy for this and I believe you can be successful however you must be aware it takes time and effort. I would consider reading the following:

1> http://freetheplanet.net/articles/97/parking-ticket-refused-for-cause

Pay particular attention to the latter part but do read all of it.

2>Read the bill of rights, attention to article 12.

3> http://thinkfree.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1339.0

The above is heavy reading and your issue can be tackled without it but it will provide further insight.

Essentially the crux of the whole PCN is issue is that we are led to believe they are legitimate fines when infact if they were a fine they would be in breach of article 12 of the bill of rights. Instead they seem to be contractual offers and thus require your consent.

The problem is you already have a court order against you. You may want to consider the following options:

1>Refuse for cause the court order.
2>Put an application into the court to set aside the courts decision and strike out the claim using the grounds you have already learnt and those discussed in the above information.

Please do not take what I say as the only or the definitive facts of the matter I and anyone else on this forum may be wrong!. ... research yourself and ask questions,

MrFrodo

[holmfirthbobble]

MrFrodo,
Many thanks for your help,I shall read what you suggested.
Cheers

[holmfirthbobble]

Mr Frodo
Just wondered, how do I put an application in to court to set aside the court's decision? And I didn't realise we has a Bill of Rights - where is this written down? Thought it was yank stuff that.

Thanks

[holmfirthbobble]

Mr Frodo
Just wondered, how do I put an application in to court to set aside the court's decision? And I didn't realise we had a Bill of Rights - where is this written down? Thought it was yank stuff that.

Thanks

[treeman]

* Charter of Liberties 1100 · 2011-01-03
* Magna Carta 1215 · 2009-03-16
* Observance of due Process of Law 1368 · 2010-01-19
* Henry VIII's Act of Supremacy 1534 · 2009-09-01
* Cestui Que Vie Act 1666 · 2009-05-20
* The Declaration of Rights 1688 · 2009-03-16
* The Bill of Rights 1688 · 2011-01-03
* The Charter of the Bank of England 1694 · 2009-06-10
* Act of Settlement 1700 · 2010-03-27
* Cestui Que Vie Act 1707 · 2010-03-15
* Union with Scotland Act 1706 · 2010-03-26
* Bank of England Act 1833 · 2009-06-10
* Bank Charter Act 1844 · 2009-05-20
* The Stamp Act 1854 · 2009-06-10
* Banker's Compositions Bill 1856 - Commons Debate · 2009-06-10
* Debtors & Bankruptcy Acts 1869 · 2009-05-20
* Coinage Act 1870 · 2009-09-03
* National Debt Act 1870 · 2009-05-20
* Bankers’ Books Evidence Act 1879 · 2010-06-07
* Bills of Exchange Act 1882 · 2009-05-20
* Consolidated Fund Act 1883 · 2009-06-15
* Factors Act 1889 · 2010-03-26
* Inland Revenue Regulation Act 1890 · 2009-06-10
* Currency and Bank Notes Act 1914 · 2009-06-11
* Currency and Bank Notes (Amendment) Act 1914 · 2009-06-15
* Finance Act 1921 · 2009-05-20
* Trustee Act 1925 · 2009-05-20
* Currency & Bank Notes Bill 1928 · 2009-05-20
* Currency & Bank Notes Bill 1928 - Commons Debate · 2009-05-20
* Government Annuities Act 1929 · 2009-06-15
* Finance Act 1931 · 2010-04-06
* Finance (No. 2) Act 1931 · 2010-04-06
* Law Of Property (Entailed Interests) Act 1932 · 2010-04-06
* Finance Act 1942 · 2009-06-11
* BANK OF ENGLAND ACT 1946 · 2009-06-11
* Cheques Act 1957 · 2010-02-27

With thanks to the freeman known as micheal Check them out http://freetheplanet.net/articles/?c=c

[holmfirthbobble]

Treeman, ye of dextrous with keyboard by the looks of it! I'd just found the Bill of Rights 1689 (google) before returning here to let Mr Frodo know I wasn't a complete muppet! Thanks fellow CleckHuddersfaxian. I'll cut and paste em all to a word doc for quick reference.
If ever there's a local meet I'd love to come along...
Cheers again.