Registered Self Employed July 2011

Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby noeusocialism » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:19 pm

Hi all

I registered as self employed in the middle of July. No doubt a lot of you will be wondering why on earth I did that.
Whether or not it was the right thing to do, I felt it was at the time. I have a colleague who is obsessed with paying taxes etc.
The fact that we all pay tax on everything we use apart from the theft known as income tax seems to escape said human being.
So what is the opinion of the users here? Should I just have carried on as normal and played the non person card when eventually flagged by the tax vampires? Or is it worth going through the charade of the tax system and then informing of my freeman status and not paying them anything else?
I'm sure there those who actually believe our taxes are used for the benefit of this country.
So fellow human beings, what is the verdict?
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby pitano1 » Tue Aug 16, 2011 5:33 pm

hi n.s

what does it mean,when you register something? :grin:

you cant play the non person card,but you can ACT,as a person. :shake:

as for your freind,if they are happy being screwed :yes: ,maybe
something will wake them from there slumber..`quite soon` :grin:

as the bard said. `the whole worlds a stage`,and we all have a part
to play...`we say`get fucked`. :giggle:
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby jonboy » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:22 pm

\why on Earth did you register yourself??? :puzz:

I have been self employed since 2009, havent registered anything anywhere with anybody.

You may as well handcuff yourself and hand over the keys.
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby pedawson » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:21 pm

I agree with jonboy and pitano1 on this, what the hell were you thinking? :giggle:

The best you can do now is de-register and start again, I was registered many years ago and the problems started after about 2 years however they were BACKDATED for the previous 2 years. It's an absolute nightmare and it's going to cost you a lot of 'fiat' just to continue trading.

I consider it better to be sole trader, even if you have a partner the benefits far out-way the negatives.
Being registered definitely has its advantages but those advantages can soon become a noose.
What you have just achieved has put a 'TAG' on your ankle, your a marked man and they have all the time in the world to bring on the pain.

The registration game is for the big boys not the start up, so if you are not a start up - fine, otherwise get yourself some reinforced underwear and a few ice packs for the headaches and of course you will need an accountant; good luck with that one, they aren't cheap and definitely not as experienced as they say they are, even the ones who say they used to work for the HMRS; and there is a reason they no longer work for them. :wink:

Namaste, phil;
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby greg » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:10 pm

I think you did the right thing. Death and taxes are unavoidable.

PM me and I'll send you my address for the Flying Pig tax you need to pay to me :police:
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby greg » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:15 pm

Here's what Lysander Spooner had to say on the matter:

"But this theory of our government is wholly different from the practical fact. The fact is that the government, like a highwayman, says to a man: 'Your money, or your life.' And many, if not most, taxes are paid under the compulsion of that threat. The government does not, indeed, waylay a man in a lonely place, spring upon him from the roadside, and, holding a pistol to his head, proceed to rifle his pockets. But the robbery is none the less a robbery on that account; and it is far more dastardly and shameful. The highwayman takes solely upon himself the responsibility, danger, and crime of his own act. He does not pretend that he has any rightful claim to your money, or that he intends to use it for your own benefit. He does not pretend to be anything but a robber. He has not acquired impudence enough to profess to be merely a 'protector,' and that he takes men's money against their will, merely to enable him to 'protect' those infatuated travellers, who feel perfectly able to protect themselves, or do not appreciate his peculiar system of protection. He is too sensible a man to make such professions as these. Furthermore, having taken your money, he leaves you, as you wish him to do. He does not persist in following you on the road, against your will; assuming to be your rightful 'sovereign,' on account of the 'protection' he affords you. He does not keep 'protecting' you, by commanding you to bow down and serve him; by requiring you to do this, and forbidding you to do that; by robbing you of more money as often as he finds it for his interest or pleasure to do so; and by branding you as a rebel, a traitor, and an enemy to your country, and shooting you down without mercy, if you dispute his authority, or resist his demands. He is too much of a gentleman to be guilty of such impostures, and insults, and villanies as these. In short, he does not, in addition to robbing you, attempt to make you either his dupe or his slave."

http://quotes.liberty-tree.ca/quote_blog/Lysander.Spooner.Quote.B8F9
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby noeusocialism » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:14 am

To answer all your questions.

The main reason I registered was that I was working for a gym chain at the time who let the taxman know. Also I have an occupational pension form a previous career whic just covers some outgoings. As it stands I'm living on my savings as I have never claimed any benefits. Wouldn't know where to start. Since I own or rather rent/mortgage my house, I'm not entitled to anything. Apart from my pension which comes and goes straight out again, I don't earn enough. I thought doing this might help in some way eventually. I've avoided it since 2008. As far as I was concerned my money was just that, mine. I still see it that way. Keep getting told by my colleague that I might caught etc.
How then do I de register?
What do I do when my savings run out and I can't get any help keeping a roof over my head?
How does the sole trader thing work?
How do I disentangle myself from this?
Are the templates on here a good start?
I mean I'd like nothing more than to have a kitted live in vehicle aqnd move around as I please. That's a work in progress.
Sounds like I've brought unwanted attention to myself.
Excuse all the questions.
Advice from anyone who has managed to break free from this and kept their pension etc would be most welcome.
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby Freeman Stephen » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:46 am

weve been kind of indoctrinated to think of pensions in terms of a regular supply of pieces of paper of whatever tradeable value the government decides once we retire. even if compelled by its own economic needs at such a time to ensure the pieces of paper are thought valuable enough to cover the things we will want for when we are too old to work and earn them, we have to face the stark reality that financial institutions are no longer the safe place to store wealth they continue to promote tgeir reputation to be.

i dont mean the situation of economic stability that may or may not pass and could force your place of safe storage into bankruptcy leaving you with nothing of your investment. what i mean is that for all tge time locked safes, iron bars and thick steel plated vaults, they are of little use if the financial institutions will let anyone with government waltz in and take whatevers yours whenever they please.

we need to find safe places to store wealth with wealth that is held in such fashion that it may be easily traded for the things we will want for in our retirement.weve been kind of indoctrinated to think of pensions in terms of a regular supply of pieces of paper of whatever tradeable value the government decides once we retire. even if compelled by its own economic needs at such a time to ensure the pieces of paper are thought valuable enough to cover the things we will want for when we are too old to work and earn them, we have to face the stark reality that financial institutions are no longer the safe place to store wealth they continue to promote tgeir reputation to be.

i dont mean the situation of economic stability that may or may not pass and could force your place of safe storage into bankruptcy leaving you with nothing of your investment. what i mean is that for all tge time locked safes, iron bars and thick steel plated vaults, they are of little use if the financial institutions will let anyone with government waltz in and take whatevers yours whenever they please.

we need to find safe places to store wealth with wealth that is held in such fashion that it may be easily traded for the things we will want for in our retirement.
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby noeusocialism » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:11 pm

Thanks for the reply Freeman Stephen

Not sure what to make of your reply though. Simpler answers would be good.
So how do de register an all that stuff?
I have watched Veronicas stuff on youtube.
It's a lot to get your head round.
As I've said before I'll have to watch them a few times to see what I need to do.
How successful have users been with giving the tax people the brush completely?
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Re: Registered Self Employed July 2011

Postby noeusocialism » Mon Aug 22, 2011 12:36 am

Hi folkso some sort of benefits since I don't earn enough to

I recently registered with HMRC as Self Employed and posted on another part of this site. I know a lot of you will ask why on earth I did that. I was going along quite nicely earning my money which as far as I'm concerned belongs to me and no one else. All around me people were obsessed with apying income tax as if they didn't pay enough other taxes already.
Problem is I'm now living on my savings after using up what money I had from a previous career to run my house. I'm figuring I'm entitled to benefits since I don't earn a great deal at present. Maybe that is a big mistake.
It's been suggested that I de register and start again. How do I do that?
How do I keep the vampire tax man off my back permanently? Iknow it's going to be more difficult as a result of this. Not that I have any regard for them, it seemed like the right thing to do.
What do you all think?
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